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Sony PlayStation 4 Pro has a bit of AMD Polaris in it
Previously known as the PS4 Neo, the Sony PlayStation 4 Pro has been announced. The new model can display games in Ultra HD as well as offering HDR support. The unit is powered by AMD and is twice as fast as the PS4.
The Ultra HD feature doesn't mean that games are rendered at 3840x2160, games could be rendered at 1080P and the are up-scaled. The Sony PlayStation 4 Pro was developed under Codename NEO and is based upon an upgraded CPU, GPU and RAM. The custom SoC chip that empowers it has 8 CPU cores, running at 2.10 GHz; and an embedded GPU (IGP) featuring 36 compute units based on "Next-generation Graphics CoreNext" architecture from AMD. The 36 next-gen GCN compute units (x 64 stream processors per cluster) sound very familiar and close to Polaris10 "Ellesmere" chip with a stream processor count of 2304, double over the 1152 from the current PlayStation 4.
| Original PS4 | PS4 Pro | |
|---|---|---|
| CPU | 8 Jaguar Cores at 1.6 GHz | 8 Jaguar Cores at 2.1 GHz |
| GPU | AMD GCN, 18 CUs at 800 MHz | Next-gen AMD GCN, 36 CUs at 911 MHz |
| Memory | 8 GB GDDR5, 176 GB/s | 8 GB GDDR5, 218 GB/s |
Sony offers suggestions for reaching 4K/UltraHD resolutions for NEO mode game builds, but they're also giving developers a degree of freedom with how to approach this. 4K TV owners can expect the Sony PlayStation 4 Pro to upscale games to fit the format, but one place Sony is unwilling to bend is on frame rate. The PS4 Pro also is fitted with a bigger 1 TB HDD. The Sony PlayStation 4 Pro starts selling at $399.
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#5332197 Posted on: 09/08/2016 09:34 AM
I hope in a year there's a h/w revision for this club sandwich. It's so unsightly lol. OG PS4 looks so good!
I hope in a year there's a h/w revision for this club sandwich. It's so unsightly lol. OG PS4 looks so good!
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#5332207 Posted on: 09/08/2016 10:11 AM
Now, when consoles look more and more like PCs, I wonder when they'll be released on a regular basis, with different pricing&performance tiers, and games having minimum/recommended requirements listed.
Now, when consoles look more and more like PCs, I wonder when they'll be released on a regular basis, with different pricing&performance tiers, and games having minimum/recommended requirements listed.
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#5332212 Posted on: 09/08/2016 10:18 AM
And is still unable to play 4K blue ray disk at 4K ...
(notice that the fail is from Sony not from AMD
)
Seriously? Will it not play ultra HD blurays?
And is still unable to play 4K blue ray disk at 4K ...
(notice that the fail is from Sony not from AMD
)
Seriously? Will it not play ultra HD blurays?
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#5332226 Posted on: 09/08/2016 10:48 AM
hi
any one know if pro finaly got a SATA3 so SSD wil fast als in pc
hi
any one know if pro finaly got a SATA3 so SSD wil fast als in pc
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#5332230 Posted on: 09/08/2016 10:56 AM
No one knows, not the type of spec they'd advertise
No one knows, not the type of spec they'd advertise
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#5332252 Posted on: 09/08/2016 11:32 AM
From now on. (inspired by the tablet market, specifically iphone/ipad model).
Only needs to state "model" supported e.g. "PS4/PS4 Pro" or "PS4 PRO - only", not specs.
Perhaps for the console purists this will cause some backlash, but, for those who can afford to "upgrade", the experience will be "optimal".
From my perspective as a PC gamer, I think this is a good thing as long-term it will help to improve games coming to PC, especially when both upgraded PS4 and X1 systems are released.
Now, when consoles look more and more like PCs, I wonder when they'll be released on a regular basis, with different pricing&performance tiers, and games having minimum/recommended requirements listed.
From now on. (inspired by the tablet market, specifically iphone/ipad model).
Only needs to state "model" supported e.g. "PS4/PS4 Pro" or "PS4 PRO - only", not specs.
Perhaps for the console purists this will cause some backlash, but, for those who can afford to "upgrade", the experience will be "optimal".
From my perspective as a PC gamer, I think this is a good thing as long-term it will help to improve games coming to PC, especially when both upgraded PS4 and X1 systems are released.
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#5332270 Posted on: 09/08/2016 12:00 PM
Whoever thought the RX 480 is the new budget king of all GPU's... Well look at this!!! Given the fact that this is basically a RX 480 in this new PS4 Pro, selling for only 399. That GPU is 200 - 250USD by itself. This will be a very compelling console. I will even go as far as to say that if you have a PS4 (the normal one), sell it and get this one.
4K however is a bit far fetched, however I think it is safe to say that looking at the hardware inside the new PS4 Pro, this is a good step up from the mainstream PC gaming sector. This is creeping into the high performance arena when you compare it to the PC sector.
However don't keep your hopes up for 4K... That is a area that even current enthusiast PC's battle with.
For a change it is good to see the console manufacturers trying to push for as much performance as possible at a compelling price.
Whoever thought the RX 480 is the new budget king of all GPU's... Well look at this!!! Given the fact that this is basically a RX 480 in this new PS4 Pro, selling for only 399. That GPU is 200 - 250USD by itself. This will be a very compelling console. I will even go as far as to say that if you have a PS4 (the normal one), sell it and get this one.
4K however is a bit far fetched, however I think it is safe to say that looking at the hardware inside the new PS4 Pro, this is a good step up from the mainstream PC gaming sector. This is creeping into the high performance arena when you compare it to the PC sector.
However don't keep your hopes up for 4K... That is a area that even current enthusiast PC's battle with.
For a change it is good to see the console manufacturers trying to push for as much performance as possible at a compelling price.
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#5332278 Posted on: 09/08/2016 12:05 PM
Thinking of it now, I wonder how this will turn out for current RX 480 users. I mean if the game was a port from console to pc (the ones we all hate soooo much) and it was optimized for that Polaris GPU in the PS4 Pro then I wonder if you will see a gain if you have a Polaris GPU in your PC.
Thinking of it now, I wonder how this will turn out for current RX 480 users. I mean if the game was a port from console to pc (the ones we all hate soooo much) and it was optimized for that Polaris GPU in the PS4 Pro then I wonder if you will see a gain if you have a Polaris GPU in your PC.
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#5332282 Posted on: 09/08/2016 12:12 PM
Games totally looked awesome. too bad i dont have a 4k HDR tv though
Games totally looked awesome. too bad i dont have a 4k HDR tv though
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#5332444 Posted on: 09/08/2016 04:06 PM
i might wrong but
- ps4 pro possible because AMD soc... on PS3 - CELL it seems making upgrade like now wasnt easy
- the 4K is more "partial support" ... beside it will likely upscale rather than true4K, i dont think there many dev. will use it especially those smaller game company
beside the new PS4 and PS4 pro... like sony said many times, game should perform same in any ps4 version...
"But it’s important to note that the choice is yours. Whether you’re playing on PS4 Pro, the new slimmer and lighter PS4, or the PS4 system you bought at launch in 2013, you’ll have access to the same amazing games with the same features and same vibrant community that make PlayStation the best place to play. "
now i wonder, is it really worthed getting PS4 pro ? we cant say it future proof anyway
maybe some games will run 60fps on ps4 pro and only 30fps on ps4 ?
now if so, then what sony said is half-lie ... because 30fps different is also a feature lol
i might wrong but
- ps4 pro possible because AMD soc... on PS3 - CELL it seems making upgrade like now wasnt easy
- the 4K is more "partial support" ... beside it will likely upscale rather than true4K, i dont think there many dev. will use it especially those smaller game company
beside the new PS4 and PS4 pro... like sony said many times, game should perform same in any ps4 version...
"But it’s important to note that the choice is yours. Whether you’re playing on PS4 Pro, the new slimmer and lighter PS4, or the PS4 system you bought at launch in 2013, you’ll have access to the same amazing games with the same features and same vibrant community that make PlayStation the best place to play. "
now i wonder, is it really worthed getting PS4 pro ? we cant say it future proof anyway
maybe some games will run 60fps on ps4 pro and only 30fps on ps4 ?
now if so, then what sony said is half-lie ... because 30fps different is also a feature lol
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#5332464 Posted on: 09/08/2016 04:44 PM
i might wrong but
- ps4 pro possible because AMD soc... on PS3 - CELL it seems making upgrade like now wasnt easy
- the 4K is more "partial support" ... beside it will likely upscale rather than true4K, i dont think there many dev. will use it especially those smaller game company
beside the new PS4 and PS4 pro... like sony said many times, game should perform same in any ps4 version...
"But it’s important to note that the choice is yours. Whether you’re playing on PS4 Pro, the new slimmer and lighter PS4, or the PS4 system you bought at launch in 2013, you’ll have access to the same amazing games with the same features and same vibrant community that make PlayStation the best place to play. "
now i wonder, is it really worthed getting PS4 pro ? we cant say it future proof anyway
maybe some games will run 60fps on ps4 pro and only 30fps on ps4 ?
now if so, then what sony said is half-lie ... because 30fps different is also a feature lol
I believe initially that games that are 30fps locked on PS4 will also be on Pro. PS4 Pro would have to be extremely popular to change this policy, like, literally 50% ownership within 1yr.
i might wrong but
- ps4 pro possible because AMD soc... on PS3 - CELL it seems making upgrade like now wasnt easy
- the 4K is more "partial support" ... beside it will likely upscale rather than true4K, i dont think there many dev. will use it especially those smaller game company
beside the new PS4 and PS4 pro... like sony said many times, game should perform same in any ps4 version...
"But it’s important to note that the choice is yours. Whether you’re playing on PS4 Pro, the new slimmer and lighter PS4, or the PS4 system you bought at launch in 2013, you’ll have access to the same amazing games with the same features and same vibrant community that make PlayStation the best place to play. "
now i wonder, is it really worthed getting PS4 pro ? we cant say it future proof anyway
maybe some games will run 60fps on ps4 pro and only 30fps on ps4 ?
now if so, then what sony said is half-lie ... because 30fps different is also a feature lol
I believe initially that games that are 30fps locked on PS4 will also be on Pro. PS4 Pro would have to be extremely popular to change this policy, like, literally 50% ownership within 1yr.
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#5332702 Posted on: 09/09/2016 01:48 AM
A few observations:
1. Based on what I saw, in regards to framerate: future titles and some existing games are getting options, e.g. 30 fps lock with 4k upscaling, 60 fps at 1080p, 30 fps at 1080p with enhanced graphics. I am unsure how many games will support multiple settings like this, but it is interesting to see this gap between pc's and consoles close, where the user can determine their graphics settings based on preference and display capability.
2. We knew that 4k was going to be upscaled, which is like, big deal because you're just bypassing the TV's internal upscaler which is not even necessarily inferior. Well, it turns out that they are using some magic and trickery and the upscaled 4k supposedly looks quite good. Not quite up to native but definitely better than 1080p.
3. I'm with you guys, no 4k Blu-ray? I might actually have bought one of these just for the odd console exclusive and 4k blu-ray. I would probably have finally shelled out for a 4k tv. But you done f*cked it up Sony!
Edit: Oh yeah, 4. It's ugly as hell, isn't it?
A few observations:
1. Based on what I saw, in regards to framerate: future titles and some existing games are getting options, e.g. 30 fps lock with 4k upscaling, 60 fps at 1080p, 30 fps at 1080p with enhanced graphics. I am unsure how many games will support multiple settings like this, but it is interesting to see this gap between pc's and consoles close, where the user can determine their graphics settings based on preference and display capability.
2. We knew that 4k was going to be upscaled, which is like, big deal because you're just bypassing the TV's internal upscaler which is not even necessarily inferior. Well, it turns out that they are using some magic and trickery and the upscaled 4k supposedly looks quite good. Not quite up to native but definitely better than 1080p.
3. I'm with you guys, no 4k Blu-ray? I might actually have bought one of these just for the odd console exclusive and 4k blu-ray. I would probably have finally shelled out for a 4k tv. But you done f*cked it up Sony!
Edit: Oh yeah, 4. It's ugly as hell, isn't it?
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#5332734 Posted on: 09/09/2016 04:11 AM
You can already upscale 1080p to 4k with a $30 seiki u-vision cable. I cant imagine the upscaling of the new PS/XBOX would be any more impressive.
You can already upscale 1080p to 4k with a $30 seiki u-vision cable. I cant imagine the upscaling of the new PS/XBOX would be any more impressive.
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#5332737 Posted on: 09/09/2016 04:22 AM
I hope they get yearly updates like phones do, graphics-innovation will jump to the sky at this rate
something like star citizen could reach a far bigger audience at some point
I hope they get yearly updates like phones do, graphics-innovation will jump to the sky at this rate
something like star citizen could reach a far bigger audience at some point
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And is still unable to play 4K blue ray disk at 4K ...
(notice that the fail is from Sony not from AMD