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Rumored NVIDIA Next Gen-GPU codenamed Hopper gets a registered trademark
Remember a week or three ago when a rumor surfaced about a possible MCM prototype from NVIDIA called hopper? Well, that name is now a registered trademark, and guess who registered it? Yep, NVIDIA.
Next years Nvidia Ampere GPUs have not yet even been announced and now the supposedly next-generation chip generation Hopper info already spreads on the web, Hopper could be based on a multi-die design, you know chiplets.
Hopper (Grace Hopper) is the name of yet another mathematician being applied to architecture. She has been involved in groundbreaking projects, such as the Mark I super-computer (at the time) at Harvard University, and revolutionized computer science with the first high-level programming language COBOL. Now her name is supposed to adorn Nvidia's next-generation GPU: The Hopper architecture is to follow Ampere (presumably RTX 3000) and be manufactured in chiplet (MCM) design.
MCM design scale less for GPUs, think a little about SLI for example and the problems that come with it. However, it also offers significant advantages in production. The larger a chip is, the higher the risk of production error that can render the chip completely unusable (yields). MCM can create far larger packages than the limitations of one chip alone, so they are very scalable. It might be a trend for graphics chips. However, these are for the time being unconfirmed rumors, all of them.
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So with that explained once more, this all was based on a rumor, however, NVIDIA registered 'NVIDIA Hopper' as a trademark, and also 'NVIDIA Aerial' which is related to 5G developments. On December 4th the trademarks got registered, and yeah that indicates the rumors to be valid. Hopper will follow next year's Ampere, which indeed could be MCM design but that last part remains speculation.
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#5739288 Posted on: 12/09/2019 09:39 PM
I'm a little surprised they didn't choose Hopper sooner. Also... if Nvidia is concerned about this sort of thing, shouldn't they be trademarking as many of these names as they can?
lol imagine that, if Nvidia went from famous physicists to Hollywood actors.
I'm a little surprised they didn't choose Hopper sooner. Also... if Nvidia is concerned about this sort of thing, shouldn't they be trademarking as many of these names as they can?
I am a big fan of Dennis Hopper 
, but Miss Grace is also highly appreciated. Possibly my next graph. card...
, but Miss Grace is also highly appreciated. Possibly my next graph. card...lol imagine that, if Nvidia went from famous physicists to Hollywood actors.
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#5739299 Posted on: 12/09/2019 10:14 PM
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#5739303 Posted on: 12/09/2019 10:18 PM
'MCM design scale less for GPUs, think a little about SLI for example and the problems that come with it.'
I doubt this will an issue at all as the modules themselves would be transparent to the driver and appear as a single GPU as they are connected. Much like AMD's MCM CPU's appear as a single CPU.
Fairly popular Trademark.
'MCM design scale less for GPUs, think a little about SLI for example and the problems that come with it.'
I doubt this will an issue at all as the modules themselves would be transparent to the driver and appear as a single GPU as they are connected. Much like AMD's MCM CPU's appear as a single CPU.
Fairly popular Trademark.
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#5739309 Posted on: 12/09/2019 10:37 PM
"Shopper" rather ?
"Shopper" rather ?
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#5739331 Posted on: 12/09/2019 11:42 PM
AMD also ought to be going for the MCM design, assuming they are still planning to make bigger GPUs in the future. They even have practical experience already from the CPU side, although they naturally don't have Nvidia's budget. It'll be interesting to see how it's going to turn out from both camps. Nvidia is basically also competiting against itself, its own previous generation flagship, so they can't have a weak MCM opening, unless they go for a much cheaper price. But even so people do expect a cool flagship from Nvidia.
AMD also ought to be going for the MCM design, assuming they are still planning to make bigger GPUs in the future. They even have practical experience already from the CPU side, although they naturally don't have Nvidia's budget. It'll be interesting to see how it's going to turn out from both camps. Nvidia is basically also competiting against itself, its own previous generation flagship, so they can't have a weak MCM opening, unless they go for a much cheaper price. But even so people do expect a cool flagship from Nvidia.
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#5739332 Posted on: 12/09/2019 11:48 PM
"MCM design scale less for GPUs, think a little about SLI for example and the problems that come with it..."
I don't think one can make that statement because what GPUs utilizing an MCM have ever been released? SLI cards don't qualify because they are not in a module and that is a key to the design - the module aspect of it.
If done right, all of the issues with SLI should be resolved with an MCM design. The keys will be how the functionality is partitioned across modules and how well inter-module latency can be hidden. AMD does it fairly well so hopefully Nvidia can learn from them.
"MCM design scale less for GPUs, think a little about SLI for example and the problems that come with it..."
I don't think one can make that statement because what GPUs utilizing an MCM have ever been released? SLI cards don't qualify because they are not in a module and that is a key to the design - the module aspect of it.
If done right, all of the issues with SLI should be resolved with an MCM design. The keys will be how the functionality is partitioned across modules and how well inter-module latency can be hidden. AMD does it fairly well so hopefully Nvidia can learn from them.
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#5739339 Posted on: 12/10/2019 12:21 AM
So just how far off are we from seeing one of these gpus hit the market? Considering Ampere hasn't even been released yet.
So just how far off are we from seeing one of these gpus hit the market? Considering Ampere hasn't even been released yet.
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#5739358 Posted on: 12/10/2019 02:27 AM
What if there is no Ampere or it'll be skipped like Volta? Hopper incoming? Some of the driver groundwork seems to be done.
What if there is no Ampere or it'll be skipped like Volta? Hopper incoming? Some of the driver groundwork seems to be done.
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#5739361 Posted on: 12/10/2019 02:37 AM
I am a big fan of Dennis Hopper , but Miss Grace is also highly appreciated. Possibly my next graph. card...
, but Miss Grace is also highly appreciated. Possibly my next graph. card...
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#5739386 Posted on: 12/10/2019 06:52 AM
Trademarking these days doesn't last unless you can prove you have commercial interest in using it within a certain time. Just recently (November iirc) a company lost it's trademark conflict in court because it could not prove (and until then never did) that they wanted to use it soon. Can't finde the link or news though, sry.
Maybe Hopper's what's coming after Ampere? Ampere in 2020 and Hopper in 2021 or so... or server grade hardware like Volta (which we never saw for gamers).
I'm a little surprised they didn't choose Hopper sooner. Also... if Nvidia is concerned about this sort of thing, shouldn't they be trademarking as many of these names as they can?
Trademarking these days doesn't last unless you can prove you have commercial interest in using it within a certain time. Just recently (November iirc) a company lost it's trademark conflict in court because it could not prove (and until then never did) that they wanted to use it soon. Can't finde the link or news though, sry.
Maybe Hopper's what's coming after Ampere? Ampere in 2020 and Hopper in 2021 or so... or server grade hardware like Volta (which we never saw for gamers).
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#5739440 Posted on: 12/10/2019 10:58 AM
'MCM design scale less for GPUs, think a little about SLI for example and the problems that come with it.'
I doubt this will an issue at all as the modules themselves would be transparent to the driver and appear as a single GPU as they are connected. Much like AMD's MCM CPU's appear as a single CPU.
Not quite the same...
When a CPU core is processing some data, it generally only deals with its own L1, L2, L3 cache data, and doesn't need to access other cores L1, L2 etc data.
Whereas many GPU algorithms might need access to data which is not on the local GPU cache, so they must continually retrieve the data from other GPU caches, and this is where the difficulty, and the inefficiency lies. The cross cache communication times, and the efficiency of various GPU algorithms to minimize the amount of this data shuffling between caches is what the issue will be. Being transparent to the driver does not speed up this low level shuffling.
'MCM design scale less for GPUs, think a little about SLI for example and the problems that come with it.'
I doubt this will an issue at all as the modules themselves would be transparent to the driver and appear as a single GPU as they are connected. Much like AMD's MCM CPU's appear as a single CPU.
Not quite the same...
When a CPU core is processing some data, it generally only deals with its own L1, L2, L3 cache data, and doesn't need to access other cores L1, L2 etc data.
Whereas many GPU algorithms might need access to data which is not on the local GPU cache, so they must continually retrieve the data from other GPU caches, and this is where the difficulty, and the inefficiency lies. The cross cache communication times, and the efficiency of various GPU algorithms to minimize the amount of this data shuffling between caches is what the issue will be. Being transparent to the driver does not speed up this low level shuffling.
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#5739441 Posted on: 12/10/2019 11:02 AM
Trademarking these days doesn't last unless you can prove you have commercial interest in using it within a certain time. Just recently (November iirc) a company lost it's trademark conflict in court because it could not prove (and until then never did) that they wanted to use it soon. Can't finde the link or news though, sry.
Maybe Hopper's what's coming after Ampere? Ampere in 2020 and Hopper in 2021 or so... or server grade hardware like Volta (which we never saw for gamers).
In Ireland, the global fast-food giant (and very litigious about their copyrights and names) McDonalds, lost a trademark case against an Irish fast-food place called "SuperMacs" which has been running for years here - the owner's name is MacDonagh, so obviously he had some right to use his own name in his fast-food restaurant - and the European court agreed with him! So the giant McDonalds lost the case. SuperMacs is even still able to sell burgers called "Mighty Macs" and stuff like that.
Trademarking these days doesn't last unless you can prove you have commercial interest in using it within a certain time. Just recently (November iirc) a company lost it's trademark conflict in court because it could not prove (and until then never did) that they wanted to use it soon. Can't finde the link or news though, sry.
Maybe Hopper's what's coming after Ampere? Ampere in 2020 and Hopper in 2021 or so... or server grade hardware like Volta (which we never saw for gamers).
In Ireland, the global fast-food giant (and very litigious about their copyrights and names) McDonalds, lost a trademark case against an Irish fast-food place called "SuperMacs" which has been running for years here - the owner's name is MacDonagh, so obviously he had some right to use his own name in his fast-food restaurant - and the European court agreed with him! So the giant McDonalds lost the case. SuperMacs is even still able to sell burgers called "Mighty Macs" and stuff like that.
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#5739607 Posted on: 12/10/2019 04:53 PM
Going to Ireland, McDonald's really should have expected to encounter something like that.
In Ireland, the global fast-food giant (and very litigious about their copyrights and names) McDonalds, lost a trademark case against an Irish fast-food place called "SuperMacs" which has been running for years here - the owner's name is MacDonagh, so obviously he had some right to use his own name in his fast-food restaurant - and the European court agreed with him! So the giant McDonalds lost the case. SuperMacs is even still able to sell burgers called "Mighty Macs" and stuff like that.
Going to Ireland, McDonald's really should have expected to encounter something like that.
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#5739613 Posted on: 12/10/2019 05:14 PM
Yep, but typical - they still tried to sue him and get him to change name of his entire chain of fast-food restaurants, and not be allowed to use his own name on them
Going to Ireland, McDonald's really should have expected to encounter something like that.
Yep, but typical - they still tried to sue him and get him to change name of his entire chain of fast-food restaurants, and not be allowed to use his own name on them
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I am a big fan of Dennis Hopper