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A handful of new AMD chipset names surfaced in USB-IF registrations. AMD denies that the entries are legitimate, but well the names are in there alright. You will notice a Z490 and X499, which have been rumored about a couple of months ago as well. A420 is also listed, the successor of A320.
The Z490 chipset would enter the race as the new flagship in the middle class, already ready and scheduled for the start of the Computex 2018, but literally, five minutes before the show was still pulled: Too expensive and supposedly too few new features, it was rumored. Additional PCIe lanes would be accomplished with an expensive PLX Chip, which was not available in sufficient quantities, reports computerbase. The same applies to the X499 chipset for the high-end segment. This apparently also was already at Computex 2018 as a refresher for the Threadripper 2000 is considered, the latest rumors now say that he could be unveiled at CES 2019 .
In addition, there is also an A420 chipset as heir to the entry-level model A320. The A320 has not appeared anywhere yet, as have the Pro 460 and Pro 490 solutions - presumably the business offshoot for the Ryzen Pro processor line.
AMD has commented on the topic, and they normally do not talk about unannounced products.
USB-IF certification is a standard procedure for all chipset development, planned early in product development. The USB-IF site was recently updated with AMD test chips which have not been and may not be released. We are working with USB-IF to have these erroneous listings removed from their site.
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#5588790 Posted on: 09/25/2018 12:55 PM
What exactly would the Z490 bring to the table? More Pcie lanes for M.2 for example?
What exactly would the Z490 bring to the table? More Pcie lanes for M.2 for example?
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#5588827 Posted on: 09/25/2018 02:09 PM
List has been removed...the only thing listed is the b450 and x470. I would imagine there is a new empty parking space at AMD.
ops:
AMD 400 Series chipsets
TID: 5085000012
Model Number: B450
Advanced Micro Devices
04/19/2018
AMD 400 Series chipsets (X470)
TID: 5080000012
Model Number: X470
Advanced Micro Devices
03/05/2018
List has been removed...the only thing listed is the b450 and x470. I would imagine there is a new empty parking space at AMD.
ops: AMD 400 Series chipsets
TID: 5085000012
Model Number: B450
Advanced Micro Devices
04/19/2018
AMD 400 Series chipsets (X470)
TID: 5080000012
Model Number: X470
Advanced Micro Devices
03/05/2018
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#5588829 Posted on: 09/25/2018 02:11 PM
I'd swear that AMD have chosen Z490 just to piss Intel off.
They probably won't even use it lol
More like FU490.
I'd swear that AMD have chosen Z490 just to piss Intel off.
They probably won't even use it lol
More like FU490.
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#5588835 Posted on: 09/25/2018 02:29 PM
Ideally, yes. X470 is a bit underwhelming for enthusiast grade. They should add another x12 lanes, x8 of which would go to the 2nd PCIe slot and the other x4 for a 2nd M.2 slot. Such a layout could also permit a x8
8 8 layout for triple SLI/Crossfire.
I think they should also add another 2 SATA hosts, not because the motherboard needs more SATA ports, but because then you don't have to disable them when using M.2.
I personally think that's as good as an AM4 board really needs to get. The current X470 board makes for a great Micro ATX chipset but it's just too underwhelming for full ATX.
What exactly would the Z490 bring to the table? More Pcie lanes for M.2 for example?
Ideally, yes. X470 is a bit underwhelming for enthusiast grade. They should add another x12 lanes, x8 of which would go to the 2nd PCIe slot and the other x4 for a 2nd M.2 slot. Such a layout could also permit a x8
8 8 layout for triple SLI/Crossfire.I think they should also add another 2 SATA hosts, not because the motherboard needs more SATA ports, but because then you don't have to disable them when using M.2.
I personally think that's as good as an AM4 board really needs to get. The current X470 board makes for a great Micro ATX chipset but it's just too underwhelming for full ATX.
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#5588842 Posted on: 09/25/2018 02:40 PM
Ideally, yes. X470 is a bit underwhelming for enthusiast grade. They should add another x12 lanes, x8 of which would go to the 2nd PCIe slot and the other x4 for a 2nd M.2 slot. Such a layout could also permit a x88 8 layout for triple SLI/Crossfire.
I think they should also add another 2 SATA hosts, not because the motherboard needs more SATA ports, but because then you don't have to disable them when using M.2.
I personally think that's as good as an AM4 board really needs to get. The current X470 board makes for a great Micro ATX chipset but it's just too underwhelming for full ATX.
Using m.2 in sata mode disables the standart sata ports? I've checked several manuals of X470 boards and it only stated that the pcie slot will be disabled if the m.2 will be used in one of them.
I'm asking because I was looking into this recently as I'm planning upgrade and wanted to use m.2 along with standard sata devices. This would force me to use pcie/nvme drives in the m.2 slots if it would be true.
Ideally, yes. X470 is a bit underwhelming for enthusiast grade. They should add another x12 lanes, x8 of which would go to the 2nd PCIe slot and the other x4 for a 2nd M.2 slot. Such a layout could also permit a x8
8 8 layout for triple SLI/Crossfire.I think they should also add another 2 SATA hosts, not because the motherboard needs more SATA ports, but because then you don't have to disable them when using M.2.
I personally think that's as good as an AM4 board really needs to get. The current X470 board makes for a great Micro ATX chipset but it's just too underwhelming for full ATX.
Using m.2 in sata mode disables the standart sata ports? I've checked several manuals of X470 boards and it only stated that the pcie slot will be disabled if the m.2 will be used in one of them.
I'm asking because I was looking into this recently as I'm planning upgrade and wanted to use m.2 along with standard sata devices. This would force me to use pcie/nvme drives in the m.2 slots if it would be true.
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#5588844 Posted on: 09/25/2018 02:48 PM
Using m.2 in sata mode disables the standart sata ports? I've checked several manuals of X470 boards and it only stated that the pcie slot will be disabled if the m.2 will be used in one of them.
I'm asking because I was looking into this recently as I'm planning upgrade and wanted to use m.2 along with standard sata devices. This would force me to use pcie/nvme drives in the m.2 slots if it would be true.
I did a little bit more research and apparently it varies depending on the motherboard. It seems most will sacrifice 2 SATA ports (why 2 instead of just 1, I'm not entirely sure) but it seems there are some that use PCIe lanes too. Generally speaking, it seem that if the M.2 slot uses PCIe 3.0 lanes directly from the CPU, you'll lose 2 SATA ports (and I'm not entirely sure, but I think this is only the case if the M.2 device you installed uses SATA). If the M.2 slot uses the PCIe lanes from the chipset, then you lose those lanes elsewhere.
Using m.2 in sata mode disables the standart sata ports? I've checked several manuals of X470 boards and it only stated that the pcie slot will be disabled if the m.2 will be used in one of them.
I'm asking because I was looking into this recently as I'm planning upgrade and wanted to use m.2 along with standard sata devices. This would force me to use pcie/nvme drives in the m.2 slots if it would be true.
I did a little bit more research and apparently it varies depending on the motherboard. It seems most will sacrifice 2 SATA ports (why 2 instead of just 1, I'm not entirely sure) but it seems there are some that use PCIe lanes too. Generally speaking, it seem that if the M.2 slot uses PCIe 3.0 lanes directly from the CPU, you'll lose 2 SATA ports (and I'm not entirely sure, but I think this is only the case if the M.2 device you installed uses SATA). If the M.2 slot uses the PCIe lanes from the chipset, then you lose those lanes elsewhere.
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#5588863 Posted on: 09/25/2018 03:57 PM
I guess Intel is going to change the naming convention of the next gen chipsets. Kinda childish of AMD to do this... They don't need to, they have a great product, no one cares what's it called. They only generate more confusion this way.
I guess Intel is going to change the naming convention of the next gen chipsets. Kinda childish of AMD to do this... They don't need to, they have a great product, no one cares what's it called. They only generate more confusion this way.
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#5588865 Posted on: 09/25/2018 04:07 PM
I agree. I also find it is no coincidence that AMD started out with a number that was 100 higher than Intel's (when AMD released the 300 series chipset, Intel was on their 200 series).
I guess Intel is going to change the naming convention of the next gen chipsets. Kinda childish of AMD to do this... They don't need to, they have a great product, no one cares what's it called. They only generate more confusion this way.
I agree. I also find it is no coincidence that AMD started out with a number that was 100 higher than Intel's (when AMD released the 300 series chipset, Intel was on their 200 series).
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#5588866 Posted on: 09/25/2018 04:10 PM
the fantastic news for the biggest slice of the market...if you have an itx system you can ignore the newer chipsets.
that said, as Schmidtbag pointed out mATX and ATX systems with lots of mass storage are the targets.
a mATX with 3 pcie M.2's is choice.
funny thing is that most people are going or have gone to external mass storage, but old habits die hard.
the fantastic news for the biggest slice of the market...if you have an itx system you can ignore the newer chipsets.
that said, as Schmidtbag pointed out mATX and ATX systems with lots of mass storage are the targets.
a mATX with 3 pcie M.2's is choice.
funny thing is that most people are going or have gone to external mass storage, but old habits die hard.
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#5589099 Posted on: 09/26/2018 09:12 AM
the fantastic news for the biggest slice of the market...if you have an itx system you can ignore the newer chipsets.
that said, as Schmidtbag pointed out mATX and ATX systems with lots of mass storage are the targets.
a mATX with 3 pcie M.2's is choice.
funny thing is that most people are going or have gone to external mass storage, but old habits die hard.
I know lots of people have gone to external USB hard drives.
And then they cry when they knock it on the floor, and all their data is gone.
Games are still going to require internal storage, and if things keep going as they are now (50-100GB for a single game!!!!) then internal storage has some time left.
That is until we get huge SSD storage (~8TB+) per disk.
the fantastic news for the biggest slice of the market...if you have an itx system you can ignore the newer chipsets.
that said, as Schmidtbag pointed out mATX and ATX systems with lots of mass storage are the targets.
a mATX with 3 pcie M.2's is choice.
funny thing is that most people are going or have gone to external mass storage, but old habits die hard.
I know lots of people have gone to external USB hard drives.
And then they cry when they knock it on the floor, and all their data is gone.
Games are still going to require internal storage, and if things keep going as they are now (50-100GB for a single game!!!!) then internal storage has some time left.
That is until we get huge SSD storage (~8TB+) per disk.
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#5589178 Posted on: 09/26/2018 02:08 PM
I know lots of people have gone to external USB hard drives.
And then they cry when they knock it on the floor, and all their data is gone.
Games are still going to require internal storage, and if things keep going as they are now (50-100GB for a single game!!!!) then internal storage has some time left.
That is until we get huge SSD storage (~8TB+) per disk.
I think what tunejunky was referring to was NASes, not so much USB HDDs. A NAS makes sense (basically they serve as a private cloud server - I have one myself and it's so convenient) but nowadays I don't understand the purpose of a USB HDD, other than for archives. Most people seek cloud services for personal storage. If you don't have high-speed internet or want faster transfer rates, USB flash drives tend to be better. For everything else, you want local storage or a NAS. So, I'm having a hard time understanding why someone would have anything irreplaceable on a USB HDD.
All that being said, I personally use my NAS for "generic" data. So stuff like documents, media, and temporary storage. For my gaming PC, I use a 1TB SSD because loading a game over a network is unnecessarily slow, and it's not like other PCs of mine are going to be playing these games (they're not really fit for it).
I know lots of people have gone to external USB hard drives.
And then they cry when they knock it on the floor, and all their data is gone.
Games are still going to require internal storage, and if things keep going as they are now (50-100GB for a single game!!!!) then internal storage has some time left.
That is until we get huge SSD storage (~8TB+) per disk.
I think what tunejunky was referring to was NASes, not so much USB HDDs. A NAS makes sense (basically they serve as a private cloud server - I have one myself and it's so convenient) but nowadays I don't understand the purpose of a USB HDD, other than for archives. Most people seek cloud services for personal storage. If you don't have high-speed internet or want faster transfer rates, USB flash drives tend to be better. For everything else, you want local storage or a NAS. So, I'm having a hard time understanding why someone would have anything irreplaceable on a USB HDD.
All that being said, I personally use my NAS for "generic" data. So stuff like documents, media, and temporary storage. For my gaming PC, I use a 1TB SSD because loading a game over a network is unnecessarily slow, and it's not like other PCs of mine are going to be playing these games (they're not really fit for it).
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#5589224 Posted on: 09/26/2018 04:20 PM
yes schmitty is right i was speaking of NAS, which can be much faster than your internet.
i'm too cautious to use cloud services (power outages, security, etc) except steam cloud for loading up new hardware with my game library
yes schmitty is right i was speaking of NAS, which can be much faster than your internet.
i'm too cautious to use cloud services (power outages, security, etc) except steam cloud for loading up new hardware with my game library
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#5589621 Posted on: 09/27/2018 03:29 PM
OK. I understand better now.
NAS is great, I have just built a big NAS, and am very very happy with it.
I don't trust the cloud at all.
Also, NAS's are good, but I have had a self-employed guy who had a two disk NAS, and still managed to knock the thing on the floor.
He ended up going to OnTrack and paying a few grand to get his data back.
He then got a new two disk NAS, and did the exact same setup as before.
There's no teaching some people.....
OK. I understand better now.
NAS is great, I have just built a big NAS, and am very very happy with it.
I don't trust the cloud at all.
Also, NAS's are good, but I have had a self-employed guy who had a two disk NAS, and still managed to knock the thing on the floor.
He ended up going to OnTrack and paying a few grand to get his data back.
He then got a new two disk NAS, and did the exact same setup as before.
There's no teaching some people.....
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#5589624 Posted on: 09/27/2018 03:34 PM
Also, NAS's are good, but I have had a self-employed guy who had a two disk NAS, and still managed to knock the thing on the floor.
He ended up going to OnTrack and paying a few grand to get his data back.
He then got a new two disk NAS, and did the exact same setup as before.
There's no teaching some people.....
lol perhaps he should put it on the floor, or invest in SSDs.
Also, NAS's are good, but I have had a self-employed guy who had a two disk NAS, and still managed to knock the thing on the floor.
He ended up going to OnTrack and paying a few grand to get his data back.
He then got a new two disk NAS, and did the exact same setup as before.
There's no teaching some people.....
lol perhaps he should put it on the floor, or invest in SSDs.
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I'd swear that AMD have chosen Z490 just to piss Intel off.
They probably won't even use it lol