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Intel Shows Optane memory that fits in DDR4 DIMM slots
Intel has been hard at work with anything Optane in the form of storage units and cache drives. A long time ago Intel already indicated Optane memory, well they have now shown modules based on 3D XPoint technology in sizes of 128, 256 and 512 GB.
These sticks fit into DDR4 slots in servers, promising better performance due to the “stacked” nature of 3D XPoint technology. This is non-volatile memory, so this type of memory holds onto data when devices are shut down (whereas volatile memory doesn’t). Non-volatile memory is typically used in solid-state drives and USB sticks (NAND) whereas volatile memory is typically used in system memory sticks (DRAM). However, Intel is using its 3D XPoint technology in SSD and memory stick (DIMM) form factors.
Intel’s Optane memory is non-volatile/retains data, unlike volatile DRAMs. So one cannot completely replace DRAMs ignoring their need in a PC. So if the modules can be combined with normal DRAM on the same memory channel is unclear, Intel has not talked about that.
The modules are supported by the next generation of the Xeon platform. Currently, potential customers can try out the technology and the first customers will receive the modules later this year. In 2019, the Intel Optane DC Persistent Memory modules would be widely available. With Optane memory DIMMs available it is thought servers will be able to "greatly expand" the high performance hot storage capacity available. Ahead of this Optane tech SSDs are already arriving to perk up the 'warm storage' performance available.
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#5551902 Posted on: 05/31/2018 09:37 AM
They're still trying to push this thing down people's throats?
"This is Optane and you WILL like it."
Bingo.
They're still trying to push this thing down people's throats?
"This is Optane and you WILL like it."
Bingo.
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#5551903 Posted on: 05/31/2018 09:40 AM
They're still trying to push this thing down people's throats?
"This is Optane and you WILL like it."
If you don't need it, don't buy it
I love my 900p 480GB
They're still trying to push this thing down people's throats?
"This is Optane and you WILL like it."
If you don't need it, don't buy it
I love my 900p 480GB
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#5551910 Posted on: 05/31/2018 09:55 AM
This is the type of Optane that everyone wanted to start with. I think people underestimate what a game changer replacing your RAM with non-volatile memory could be.
In the future, it could mean the end of ever seeing a loading screen again. Imagine wanting to run a game and bam, it's already in memory so no need to load it. Instantly responsive PCs.
This is the type of Optane that everyone wanted to start with. I think people underestimate what a game changer replacing your RAM with non-volatile memory could be.
In the future, it could mean the end of ever seeing a loading screen again. Imagine wanting to run a game and bam, it's already in memory so no need to load it. Instantly responsive PCs.
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#5551912 Posted on: 05/31/2018 10:01 AM
I'd looked into their Optane 900p 480GB for my upgrade build I am putting together atm, totally not worth it to me, went with a 960 1TB EVO instead (paid £255 / $340 for an oem model)
But saw a video bt Star Citixen's Devs where they had been using an SSD RAID 6 with 24 SSDs to complie their builds, swapping to a VROC RAID with 4x 900p reduced their build time in half! From 6hrs13mins to 3hrs30mins.
In the right scenario's these drives have amazing performance which works out a LOT cheaper that regular solutions!
I'd looked into their Optane 900p 480GB for my upgrade build I am putting together atm, totally not worth it to me, went with a 960 1TB EVO instead (paid £255 / $340 for an oem model)
But saw a video bt Star Citixen's Devs where they had been using an SSD RAID 6 with 24 SSDs to complie their builds, swapping to a VROC RAID with 4x 900p reduced their build time in half! From 6hrs13mins to 3hrs30mins.
In the right scenario's these drives have amazing performance which works out a LOT cheaper that regular solutions!
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#5551929 Posted on: 05/31/2018 11:11 AM
^
So approximately 12x SSD's in RAID 6= 4x 900p!? Nice!!
^
So approximately 12x SSD's in RAID 6= 4x 900p!? Nice!!
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#5551953 Posted on: 05/31/2018 12:00 PM
^
So approximately 12x SSD's in RAID 6= 4x 900p!? Nice!!
Their setup was using 850 EVO 1TB drives for their RAID 6 setup.
I imagine the boost in performance is a combo of the Virtual Raid On CPU combined with Optane's abilities.
^
So approximately 12x SSD's in RAID 6= 4x 900p!? Nice!!
Their setup was using 850 EVO 1TB drives for their RAID 6 setup.
I imagine the boost in performance is a combo of the Virtual Raid On CPU combined with Optane's abilities.
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#5551966 Posted on: 05/31/2018 12:32 PM
Their setup was using 850 EVO 1TB drives for their RAID 6 setup.
I imagine the boost in performance is a combo of the Virtual Raid On CPU combined with Optane's abilities.
Well if my understanding of RAID 6 is still valid.
Total Performance = 1885.71 MB/s
Total usable capacity = 10.00 TB
RAID Type: RAID 6 (Stripe set with double parity)
Reads 50%, Writes 50%
Number of RAID groups = 1
Number of drives per RAID group = 12
Single RAID group performance = 1885.71 MB/s
So, not to be rude, but i am not that impressed by your example, if you use 4 x NVME and e.g an X399 or intel equivalent motherboard, you can pretty much beat that with samsung pro 860's 2tb var, and here i put in the setup as a Raid 5, while you didn't specify what raid setup they used in the example with star citizen. I don't know if intel VROC supports Raid 6, but their Raid 5 variant with write hole fix is pretty nefty.
Total Performance = 5760 MB/s
Total usable capacity = 6.00 TB
RAID Type: RAID 5 (Stripe set with parity)
Reads 50%, Writes 50%
Number of RAID groups = 1
Number of drives per RAID group = 4
Total number of drives = 4
Single RAID group performance = 5760 MB/s
Kind regards.
Brut.
Their setup was using 850 EVO 1TB drives for their RAID 6 setup.
I imagine the boost in performance is a combo of the Virtual Raid On CPU combined with Optane's abilities.
Well if my understanding of RAID 6 is still valid.
Total Performance = 1885.71 MB/s
Total usable capacity = 10.00 TB
RAID Type: RAID 6 (Stripe set with double parity)
Reads 50%, Writes 50%
Number of RAID groups = 1
Number of drives per RAID group = 12
Single RAID group performance = 1885.71 MB/s
So, not to be rude, but i am not that impressed by your example, if you use 4 x NVME and e.g an X399 or intel equivalent motherboard, you can pretty much beat that with samsung pro 860's 2tb var, and here i put in the setup as a Raid 5, while you didn't specify what raid setup they used in the example with star citizen. I don't know if intel VROC supports Raid 6, but their Raid 5 variant with write hole fix is pretty nefty.
Total Performance = 5760 MB/s
Total usable capacity = 6.00 TB
RAID Type: RAID 5 (Stripe set with parity)
Reads 50%, Writes 50%
Number of RAID groups = 1
Number of drives per RAID group = 4
Total number of drives = 4
Single RAID group performance = 5760 MB/s
Kind regards.
Brut.
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#5552058 Posted on: 05/31/2018 05:41 PM
Well if my understanding of RAID 6 is still valid.
Total Performance = 1885.71 MB/s
Total usable capacity = 10.00 TB
RAID Type: RAID 6 (Stripe set with double parity)
Reads 50%, Writes 50%
Number of RAID groups = 1
Number of drives per RAID group = 12
Single RAID group performance = 1885.71 MB/s
So, not to be rude, but i am not that impressed by your example, if you use 4 x NVME and e.g an X399 or intel equivalent motherboard, you can pretty much beat that with samsung pro 860's 2tb var, and here i put in the setup as a Raid 5, while you didn't specify what raid setup they used in the example with star citizen. I don't know if intel VROC supports Raid 6, but their Raid 5 variant with write hole fix is pretty nefty.
Total Performance = 5760 MB/s
Total usable capacity = 6.00 TB
RAID Type: RAID 5 (Stripe set with parity)
Reads 50%, Writes 50%
Number of RAID groups = 1
Number of drives per RAID group = 4
Total number of drives = 4
Single RAID group performance = 5760 MB/s
Kind regards.
Brut.
People make such crazy SSD RAID setups for performance when dealing with various scenarios, if they scaled as miserably as 12 SSDs = 1885.71 MB/s, then they would not bother to use such solutions where speed is the key factor.
I am fixing a PC with an unusual issue right now and it's taking more time than I hoped, but after I will dig up an example setup/build I have seen in the past similar to Star Citizen's one.
Well if my understanding of RAID 6 is still valid.
Total Performance = 1885.71 MB/s
Total usable capacity = 10.00 TB
RAID Type: RAID 6 (Stripe set with double parity)
Reads 50%, Writes 50%
Number of RAID groups = 1
Number of drives per RAID group = 12
Single RAID group performance = 1885.71 MB/s
So, not to be rude, but i am not that impressed by your example, if you use 4 x NVME and e.g an X399 or intel equivalent motherboard, you can pretty much beat that with samsung pro 860's 2tb var, and here i put in the setup as a Raid 5, while you didn't specify what raid setup they used in the example with star citizen. I don't know if intel VROC supports Raid 6, but their Raid 5 variant with write hole fix is pretty nefty.
Total Performance = 5760 MB/s
Total usable capacity = 6.00 TB
RAID Type: RAID 5 (Stripe set with parity)
Reads 50%, Writes 50%
Number of RAID groups = 1
Number of drives per RAID group = 4
Total number of drives = 4
Single RAID group performance = 5760 MB/s
Kind regards.
Brut.
People make such crazy SSD RAID setups for performance when dealing with various scenarios, if they scaled as miserably as 12 SSDs = 1885.71 MB/s, then they would not bother to use such solutions where speed is the key factor.
I am fixing a PC with an unusual issue right now and it's taking more time than I hoped, but after I will dig up an example setup/build I have seen in the past similar to Star Citizen's one.
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#5552069 Posted on: 05/31/2018 06:04 PM
People make such crazy SSD RAID setups for performance when dealing with various scenarios, if they scaled as miserably as 12 SSDs = 1885.71 MB/s, then they would not bother to use such solutions where speed is the key factor.
I am fixing a PC with an unusual issue right now and it's taking more time than I hoped, but after I will dig up an example setup/build I have seen in the past similar to Star Citizen's one.
Depend of raidkontroller used
Areca is my pick of choice.
People make such crazy SSD RAID setups for performance when dealing with various scenarios, if they scaled as miserably as 12 SSDs = 1885.71 MB/s, then they would not bother to use such solutions where speed is the key factor.
I am fixing a PC with an unusual issue right now and it's taking more time than I hoped, but after I will dig up an example setup/build I have seen in the past similar to Star Citizen's one.
Depend of raidkontroller used
Areca is my pick of choice.
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#5552140 Posted on: 05/31/2018 10:11 PM
Optane might have success in server platform market, in customer market it will most likely die like other revolutionary tech -> rambus.
Anyway that radiator on photo looks very cheap.
Optane might have success in server platform market, in customer market it will most likely die like other revolutionary tech -> rambus.
Anyway that radiator on photo looks very cheap.
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#5552148 Posted on: 05/31/2018 11:09 PM
I love the mention of tape at the bottom of the pyramid.
I love the mention of tape at the bottom of the pyramid.
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#5552484 Posted on: 06/02/2018 01:09 AM
That's the duct tape that holds the pyramid together.
I love the mention of tape at the bottom of the pyramid.
That's the duct tape that holds the pyramid together.
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They're still trying to push this thing down people's throats?
"This is Optane and you WILL like it."