be quiet! Dark Rock PRO TR4 review
MSI GeForce RTX 2060 Gaming Z review
Palit GeForce RTX 2060 GamingPro OC review
Promo: MS Office 2016 Pro Plus Key For $31.5
Corsair IronClaw RGB mouse review
Corsair Harpoon RGB Wireless mouse review
Corsair M65 RGB ELITE game mouse review
GeForce RTX 2060 review (founder)
WD Black NVME SSD (1TB) Review
Seasonic Focus SGX-650 Power Supply review
Intel Optane SSD 900p Makes a Secret Appearance - has PCI Express 4.0 interface
Intel is still going full force with their Optane technology. For data-center you have already seen a thing or two. For the regular consumer the cache Optane products Intel can't even clear stock of the Optane SSD 8000p giving it away for even for free.
However as mentioned a while ago, there is something new on the horizon, the Intel Optane SSD 900p SSD which uses a PCIe 4.0 interface. News reaches us through our Dutch colleagues of HWI who noticed that 900p SSDs are on pre-order at Centralpoint with a release tomorrow. The Optane SSD 900p will become available as an add-in card or U2 version (with optional an M2 to U2 converter). The units released will be a 240 and 480 GB version with corresponding prices of almost 600 and 1000 EUROs (which is roughly four times that of a Samsung 960 Pro).
The Optane SSD 900p should however be an IOPs marvel. Interestingly enough the add-in card version is listed by Centralpoint as being a PCI-Express 4.0 compatible product which means 8 GB/s bandwidth is in vicinity, obviously it would be backwards compatible with PCie 2.0 and 3.0. Earlier on we already reported about Optane 900P in this news item. Obviously it could also be a typo from Centralk point meaning PCIe x4 as in Regular PCIe Gen 3 with a x4 lanes link.
The 3D XPoint memory based SSDs will get sequential read and write performance at a suggested 2.500 and 2.000 MB/s with roughly 500K IOPS based on 4K random writes. The power consumption of these devices will be running up-to a high 18 Watt, in Idle that is 5 Watts. The SSD will become available through add-in card (PCI-Express) as well as a U.2. interface based 2.5" unit.
As you can see from the image, Intel merged its storage chips on a PCI-Express x4 interface and as we know now Gen 3 and 4 compatible add-in card.
Intel Optane SSD 900P Specs - Launches end of October - 09/30/2017 08:42 AM
Yesterday we posted some new about a leaked Intel 2018 roadmap. In the roadmap, that roadmap includes a launch for 240 GB and 480 GB sized Optane 900P units. They will release at the end of October. ...
Shuttle brings Intel Optane technology to SZ270R8 - 09/01/2017 07:18 AM
A new memory technology from Intel enables even shorter system and program starts. This now makes the XPC Barebone SZ270R8 from the XPC cubes series, which is now 16 years old, more agile than ever. W...
Gigabyte Releases BIOSes to Enable Intel Optane - 03/30/2017 07:50 AM
Gigabyte as well is proud to release the all-new advanced capability to utilize Intel Optane Memory on its 200 Series Motherboards. ...
MSI is ready for Intel Optane Memory: offers special BIOS option - 03/28/2017 03:54 PM
And one more from MSI today, they as well are ready for Intel Optane Cache Memory. With Intel® launching its new Optane memory technology boosting HDD and SSD performance, MSI introduces a new feat...
ASUS Announces Support for Intel Optane Memory Through BIOS Update - 03/27/2017 04:01 PM
ASUS today announced new UEFI BIOS updates that add support for the new Intel Optane memory technology in compatible ASUS 200-Series motherboards....
Evildead666
Senior Member
Posts: 897
Joined: 2003-09-14
Senior Member
Posts: 897
Joined: 2003-09-14
#5484933 Posted on: 10/24/2017 05:44 PM
Hey, at least we now know PCI-e 4.0 isn't that far away.
Maybe the intel Z370 chipsets are already capable ? Just a next gen CPU away ?
Spoiler : Nah, Bollocks, intel will have another chipset for that
Ryzen refresh or Ryzen 2?
Hey, at least we now know PCI-e 4.0 isn't that far away.
Maybe the intel Z370 chipsets are already capable ? Just a next gen CPU away ?
Spoiler : Nah, Bollocks, intel will have another chipset for that
Ryzen refresh or Ryzen 2?
illrigger
Member
Posts: 83
Joined: 2017-02-16
Member
Posts: 83
Joined: 2017-02-16
#5484943 Posted on: 10/24/2017 06:14 PM
FYI, MS just released the new version of Windows 10 Pro for Workstations, and it supports Optane RAM as well as SSDs. So maybe alongside PCIe 4.0 we will see that as an option as well in whatever super expensive chipset they sling at us next.
FYI, MS just released the new version of Windows 10 Pro for Workstations, and it supports Optane RAM as well as SSDs. So maybe alongside PCIe 4.0 we will see that as an option as well in whatever super expensive chipset they sling at us next.
David Lake
Senior Member
Posts: 668
Joined: 2008-03-03
Senior Member
Posts: 668
Joined: 2008-03-03
#5484955 Posted on: 10/24/2017 06:39 PM
Note, the speeds on the PCI bandwidth graph are the theoretical bandwidth in BOTH directions combined, actual bandwidth is less than half what they specify.
Note, the speeds on the PCI bandwidth graph are the theoretical bandwidth in BOTH directions combined, actual bandwidth is less than half what they specify.
Allyn Malventano
Junior Member
Posts: 2
Joined: 2017-10-24
Junior Member
Posts: 2
Joined: 2017-10-24
#5485009 Posted on: 10/24/2017 08:26 PM
Hilbert,
900P is not PCIe 4.0, it is PCIe x4 (3.0).
Best,
Allyn
Hilbert,
900P is not PCIe 4.0, it is PCIe x4 (3.0).
Best,
Allyn
Stairmand
Member
Posts: 93
Joined: 2007-07-25
Member
Posts: 93
Joined: 2007-07-25
#5485039 Posted on: 10/24/2017 10:03 PM
if 960pro give me 3200/2100MB
why to buy
In random workloads it crushes the Samsung drive.
if 960pro give me 3200/2100MB
why to buy
SSD 900p ?
In random workloads it crushes the Samsung drive.
nevcairiel
Senior Member
Posts: 376
Joined: 2015-05-19
Senior Member
Posts: 376
Joined: 2015-05-19
#5485059 Posted on: 10/24/2017 11:27 PM
900P is not PCIe 4.0, it is PCIe x4 (3.0).
It totally felt like this would just be a typo (PCIe 4.0 vs x4). Its super funny how the typo in some random webshop results in someone fabricating some article like this.
900P is not PCIe 4.0, it is PCIe x4 (3.0).
It totally felt like this would just be a typo (PCIe 4.0 vs x4). Its super funny how the typo in some random webshop results in someone fabricating some article like this.
xrodney
Senior Member
Posts: 292
Joined: 2015-06-18
Senior Member
Posts: 292
Joined: 2015-06-18
#5485066 Posted on: 10/25/2017 12:01 AM
It does not.
Disks operations hardly hit 500k iops (up to 440k on 960 anyway) and you can easily have 4x960 in raid for same price that would demolish this optane card in both speed and iops.
In random workloads it crushes the Samsung drive.
It does not.
Disks operations hardly hit 500k iops (up to 440k on 960 anyway) and you can easily have 4x960 in raid for same price that would demolish this optane card in both speed and iops.
evilpaul13
Junior Member
Posts: 3
Joined: 2011-08-22
Junior Member
Posts: 3
Joined: 2011-08-22
#5485118 Posted on: 10/25/2017 07:23 AM
Except, you're capped at maybe two Samsung drives unless you're using a X99/X299/X399 board.
The latency and sustained transfer rates should also be much faster on there Optane drive.
Except, you're capped at maybe two Samsung drives unless you're using a X99/X299/X399 board.
The latency and sustained transfer rates should also be much faster on there Optane drive.
xIcarus
Senior Member
Posts: 929
Joined: 2010-08-24
Senior Member
Posts: 929
Joined: 2010-08-24
#5485170 Posted on: 10/25/2017 09:40 AM
Holy mother of price. Didn't they say that it was going to have decent price/GB or is my memory misleading me?
Holy mother of price. Didn't they say that it was going to have decent price/GB or is my memory misleading me?
BLEH!
Senior Member
Posts: 5818
Joined: 2010-10-17
Senior Member
Posts: 5818
Joined: 2010-10-17
#5485209 Posted on: 10/25/2017 11:23 AM
Are Intel's SSDs worth the ridiculous price premium over other brands? Much like the rest of their products?
Are Intel's SSDs worth the ridiculous price premium over other brands? Much like the rest of their products?
nizzen
Senior Member
Posts: 542
Joined: 2005-08-05
Senior Member
Posts: 542
Joined: 2005-08-05
#5485215 Posted on: 10/25/2017 11:34 AM
Yes, but not for everyone.
If you don't know how fast it is for for certain workloads, then you don't need it
Ps: I will buy it
I have had intel dcp3700nvme for 2.5 years now, and use sm961 nvme 1TB for OS. 4k random read @ QD= 1 is the most important for me
Are Intel's SSDs worth the ridiculous price premium over other brands? Much like the rest of their products?
Yes, but not for everyone.
If you don't know how fast it is for for certain workloads, then you don't need it
Ps: I will buy it
I have had intel dcp3700nvme for 2.5 years now, and use sm961 nvme 1TB for OS. 4k random read @ QD= 1 is the most important for me
Allyn Malventano
Junior Member
Posts: 2
Joined: 2017-10-24
Junior Member
Posts: 2
Joined: 2017-10-24
#5485447 Posted on: 10/25/2017 08:11 PM
> It does not.
> Disks operations hardly hit 500k iops (up to 440k on 960 anyway) and you can easily have 4x960 in raid for same price that would demolish this optane card in both speed and iops.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how SSDs operate in practice. The specs you are quoting are for QD=32. In actual use, you're lucky to exceed a queue depth of 4. Most IO's are QD=1. 960 PRO's QD=1 rating is 14,000 IOPS, and that spec does not scale with RAID. Optane's response time is in the ~10us range, which works out to ~100,000 IOPS *at QD=1*.
> It does not.
> Disks operations hardly hit 500k iops (up to 440k on 960 anyway) and you can easily have 4x960 in raid for same price that would demolish this optane card in both speed and iops.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how SSDs operate in practice. The specs you are quoting are for QD=32. In actual use, you're lucky to exceed a queue depth of 4. Most IO's are QD=1. 960 PRO's QD=1 rating is 14,000 IOPS, and that spec does not scale with RAID. Optane's response time is in the ~10us range, which works out to ~100,000 IOPS *at QD=1*.
imsims2013
Junior Member
Posts: 7
Joined: 2017-10-26
Junior Member
Posts: 7
Joined: 2017-10-26
#5485510 Posted on: 10/25/2017 11:20 PM
It does not.
Disks operations hardly hit 500k iops (up to 440k on 960 anyway) and you can easily have 4x960 in raid for same price that would demolish this optane card in both speed and iops.
lol
have a look @ P4800x big brother of this consumer 900p
https://tinkertry.com/hands-on-intel-optane-dc-p4800x-series-3d-xpoint-nvme-ssd
4k @ 5x my 960 pro 2TB
now Samsung sucks.
the only problem of Intel Optane is the Price!!!
It does not.
Disks operations hardly hit 500k iops (up to 440k on 960 anyway) and you can easily have 4x960 in raid for same price that would demolish this optane card in both speed and iops.
lol
have a look @ P4800x big brother of this consumer 900p
https://tinkertry.com/hands-on-intel-optane-dc-p4800x-series-3d-xpoint-nvme-ssd
4k @ 5x my 960 pro 2TB
now Samsung sucks.
the only problem of Intel Optane is the Price!!!
claydough
Member
Posts: 64
Joined: 2015-01-10
Member
Posts: 64
Joined: 2015-01-10
#5485590 Posted on: 10/26/2017 06:33 AM
lol
have a look @ P4800x big brother of this consumer 900p
4k @ 5x my 960 pro 2TB
the only problem of Intel Optane is the Price!!!
How is 5X the performance at 4x the price a problem? ( unless trivial matters like eating or keeping a girlfriend actually matter? )
lol
have a look @ P4800x big brother of this consumer 900p
4k @ 5x my 960 pro 2TB
the only problem of Intel Optane is the Price!!!
How is 5X the performance at 4x the price a problem? ( unless trivial matters like eating or keeping a girlfriend actually matter?
)
Click here to post a comment for this news story on the message forum.
Member
Posts: 59
Joined: 2016-08-27
if 960pro give me 3200/2100MB
why to buy
What PCI-4 do we have today? All dreams.