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Intel Ice Lake benchmarked - i7 performs better with lower TDP than Ryzen 7 3750H-APU
While the tide is turning in favor of AMD on the processor front you can rest assured that Intel is not let that happen quietly. We've already talked about the Ice Lake a couple of times and as it so happens, a new series of benchmarks have leaked.
This round in Passmark, where it is battling with a Ryzen 7 3750H and 3500U. Passmark took the results offline, but you cannot bypass google cache eh?
The Ryzen 7 3750H achieved 9.112 points in the multi-threaded test, while the Ice Lake chip (i7 1065G7, scored) revealed a score of 10.316 points. Team blue shows a TDP of 15 watts, while team red with Ryzen 7 did that with a TDP of 35 watts. The Ryzen 5 3500U, a chip that does have a 15 watt tdp, has a score of 8,042 points. The i7's clock frequency is between 1.3 and 3.9 GHz, while the base and boost clock of the Ryzen 7 is 2.1 GHz and 3.7 GHz respectively. The single-threaded CPU is also a lot better; the i7 1065G7 ran with 2,625 points in circles around the Ryzen 5 with 1,818 points. The Ryzen 7 gained 1,899 points.
Intel promises at least 19 percent more IPC with Ice Lake, intended for the mobile platform. Ice Lake processors are manufactured at 10nm and equipped with Sunny Cove cores. AMD promises 15 percent more IPC at Zen 2.
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#5682543 Posted on: 06/20/2019 01:49 PM
Wait, are those benchmark has any hint on GPU performance? Cause I don't want APU that performance like i7, yet can't handle minecraft on lowest settings.
Wait, are those benchmark has any hint on GPU performance? Cause I don't want APU that performance like i7, yet can't handle minecraft on lowest settings.
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#5682547 Posted on: 06/20/2019 02:01 PM
A bit misleading... We all know that Intel's TDP only comes from base clocks. That CPU could boost to 4.5GHz, absolutely obliterate AMD in single-threaded burst calculations, and it'd still be called a 15W part.
Since that chart only shows single-threaded, that makes it very clear that the boost clocks are doing all the heavy lifting.
Keep in mind, I don't necessarily have a problem with boost clocks, but my point is these parts can't really be compared since the i7 isn't really a 15W part. Granted, I call BS that the Ryzen is a 15W part too, especially if the GPU is also under heavy load.
I guess what I'm saying is comparing laptop performance is utterly useless. The only thing that matters is who has better performance-per-watt (from the wall, not claimed by the manufacturer...) and performance-per-, while being able to keep up with your workload.
A bit misleading... We all know that Intel's TDP only comes from base clocks. That CPU could boost to 4.5GHz, absolutely obliterate AMD in single-threaded burst calculations, and it'd still be called a 15W part.
Since that chart only shows single-threaded, that makes it very clear that the boost clocks are doing all the heavy lifting.
Keep in mind, I don't necessarily have a problem with boost clocks, but my point is these parts can't really be compared since the i7 isn't really a 15W part. Granted, I call BS that the Ryzen is a 15W part too, especially if the GPU is also under heavy load.
I guess what I'm saying is comparing laptop performance is utterly useless. The only thing that matters is who has better performance-per-watt (from the wall, not claimed by the manufacturer...) and performance-per-
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#5682560 Posted on: 06/20/2019 02:33 PM
^ That's fair. Intel makes "honest mistakes" way too often with SDP vs. TDP.
^ That's fair. Intel makes "honest mistakes" way too often with SDP vs. TDP.
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#5682571 Posted on: 06/20/2019 02:46 PM
Agreeing with all the above re: Intel, AMD and appropriate scepticism. I would also like to weight in re: price. If AMD's offering is a sub 600 GBP laptop offering APU, then also looking at very different performance brackets. I have recently got both AMD Ryzen 5 laptop and Ryzen 3xxx laptop and both were sub 600GBP and significantly better value offerings than Intel equivalents even on same brands (Lenovo, ASUS). Not saying Intel doesn't have a winner, but I will reserve judgement until it is released...as well as wonder how they will change their cpu to cover for all existing security flaws whilst maintaining performance increase...
Agreeing with all the above re: Intel, AMD and appropriate scepticism. I would also like to weight in re: price. If AMD's offering is a sub 600 GBP laptop offering APU, then also looking at very different performance brackets. I have recently got both AMD Ryzen 5 laptop and Ryzen 3xxx laptop and both were sub 600GBP and significantly better value offerings than Intel equivalents even on same brands (Lenovo, ASUS). Not saying Intel doesn't have a winner, but I will reserve judgement until it is released...as well as wonder how they will change their cpu to cover for all existing security flaws whilst maintaining performance increase...
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#5682572 Posted on: 06/20/2019 02:47 PM
A bit misleading... We all know that Intel's TDP only comes from base clocks. That CPU could boost to 4.5GHz, absolutely obliterate AMD in single-threaded burst calculations, and it'd still be called a 15W part.
Since that chart only shows single-threaded, that makes it very clear that the boost clocks are doing all the heavy lifting.
Keep in mind, I don't necessarily have a problem with boost clocks, but my point is these parts can't really be compared since the i7 isn't really a 15W part. Granted, I call BS that the Ryzen is a 15W part too, especially if the GPU is also under heavy load.
I guess what I'm saying is comparing laptop performance is utterly useless. The only thing that matters is who has better performance-per-watt (from the wall, not claimed by the manufacturer...) and performance-per-, while being able to keep up with your workload.
And don't forget most laptop CPUs/GPUs are throttled for total system power limits and ofc, thermals. A good bulk and noisy one can get double the scores of an ultra thin on the same hardware and even turning off the screen during the benchmark can get u some points.
As u already said, comparing laptop performance is useless. (unless u have the exact same design, memory, total system power draw and limit)
A bit misleading... We all know that Intel's TDP only comes from base clocks. That CPU could boost to 4.5GHz, absolutely obliterate AMD in single-threaded burst calculations, and it'd still be called a 15W part.
Since that chart only shows single-threaded, that makes it very clear that the boost clocks are doing all the heavy lifting.
Keep in mind, I don't necessarily have a problem with boost clocks, but my point is these parts can't really be compared since the i7 isn't really a 15W part. Granted, I call BS that the Ryzen is a 15W part too, especially if the GPU is also under heavy load.
I guess what I'm saying is comparing laptop performance is utterly useless. The only thing that matters is who has better performance-per-watt (from the wall, not claimed by the manufacturer...) and performance-per-
And don't forget most laptop CPUs/GPUs are throttled for total system power limits and ofc, thermals. A good bulk and noisy one can get double the scores of an ultra thin on the same hardware and even turning off the screen during the benchmark can get u some points.
As u already said, comparing laptop performance is useless. (unless u have the exact same design, memory, total system power draw and limit)
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#5682574 Posted on: 06/20/2019 02:58 PM
We have to assume boost clocks were used for these results and if that is the case AMD isn't all that far behind considering the 3500U is still on the old 12nm process. AMD's 7nm Zen2 replacement of the 3500U should compete quite well and possibly even be better if you count the 15% IPC increase plus a little more boost clock. Intel is in damage control mode as of late.
We have to assume boost clocks were used for these results and if that is the case AMD isn't all that far behind considering the 3500U is still on the old 12nm process. AMD's 7nm Zen2 replacement of the 3500U should compete quite well and possibly even be better if you count the 15% IPC increase plus a little more boost clock. Intel is in damage control mode as of late.
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#5682580 Posted on: 06/20/2019 03:11 PM
another issue is that Intel's CPU is a 6 core / 12 thread part while AMD's is a 4 core / 8 thread. so really, it's not a surprise that Intel's CPU is faster. :p
another issue is that Intel's CPU is a 6 core / 12 thread part while AMD's is a 4 core / 8 thread. so really, it's not a surprise that Intel's CPU is faster. :p
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#5682584 Posted on: 06/20/2019 03:22 PM
No its not. They are both 4c/8t.
another issue is that Intel's CPU is a 6 core / 12 thread part while AMD's is a 4 core / 8 thread. so really, it's not a surprise that Intel's CPU is faster. :p
No its not. They are both 4c/8t.
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#5682594 Posted on: 06/20/2019 03:54 PM
Not like it makes a difference since the test was single-threaded anyway.
another issue is that Intel's CPU is a 6 core / 12 thread part while AMD's is a 4 core / 8 thread. so really, it's not a surprise that Intel's CPU is faster. :p
No its not. They are both 4c/8t.
Not like it makes a difference since the test was single-threaded anyway.
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#5682599 Posted on: 06/20/2019 04:02 PM
I would be very surprised if this benchmark is true, until now Intel 10nm laptop CPU´es does not even perform well compared to Intel 14nm laptop CPU´es.
The huge difference between base and boost suggests that this CPU is made for very short bursts and not sustained speeds, the bursts could be close to 45W TDP no problem even with a 15W rated TDP.
I would be very surprised if this benchmark is true, until now Intel 10nm laptop CPU´es does not even perform well compared to Intel 14nm laptop CPU´es.
The huge difference between base and boost suggests that this CPU is made for very short bursts and not sustained speeds, the bursts could be close to 45W TDP no problem even with a 15W rated TDP.
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#5682610 Posted on: 06/20/2019 04:31 PM
I have a new laptop with the ryzen 3700u. It is a very good running apu, but i can tell you it averages a bit closer to 30w then it does 15w......but that said, i really like it. Runs great w/ nvme ssd and lots o ram.
I have a new laptop with the ryzen 3700u. It is a very good running apu, but i can tell you it averages a bit closer to 30w then it does 15w......but that said, i really like it. Runs great w/ nvme ssd and lots o ram.
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#5682640 Posted on: 06/20/2019 06:21 PM
This was expected, no? The Ryzen is a 12nm Zen+ 1Q19 released chip. It would be worrying for Intel if they didn't beat AMD with a 10nm yet to be released mobile CPU.
This was expected, no? The Ryzen is a 12nm Zen+ 1Q19 released chip. It would be worrying for Intel if they didn't beat AMD with a 10nm yet to be released mobile CPU.
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#5682644 Posted on: 06/20/2019 06:29 PM
Not sure what the relevance of this information is.
It's testing Ice Lake against Zen+ mobile, not Zen 2, so it's not testing 7nm power consumption, which is what everyone is interested in right now.
Not entirely sure anyone technically expects Zen+ to best Intel in mobile markets for power, though i do believe this is wrong either way as Intels TDPs and power restrictions are simply wrong and have been tested time and time again. i3-8130u 15 watt processor can use up to around 25 watts if i recall correctly, just as an example.
3700u is a 15w processor but it is also configurable by the manufacturer up to 35 watts, so if it's using 30 watts, your laptop manufacturer must have set that power limit instead of 15.
Gets a little confusing with laptops since each manufacturer can have the same CPU in their laptop but a very different overall performance if they mess with the configurable wattage.
Not sure what the relevance of this information is.
It's testing Ice Lake against Zen+ mobile, not Zen 2, so it's not testing 7nm power consumption, which is what everyone is interested in right now.
Not entirely sure anyone technically expects Zen+ to best Intel in mobile markets for power, though i do believe this is wrong either way as Intels TDPs and power restrictions are simply wrong and have been tested time and time again. i3-8130u 15 watt processor can use up to around 25 watts if i recall correctly, just as an example.
I have a new laptop with the ryzen 3700u. It is a very good running apu, but i can tell you it averages a bit closer to 30w then it does 15w......but that said, i really like it. Runs great w/ nvme ssd and lots o ram.
3700u is a 15w processor but it is also configurable by the manufacturer up to 35 watts, so if it's using 30 watts, your laptop manufacturer must have set that power limit instead of 15.
Gets a little confusing with laptops since each manufacturer can have the same CPU in their laptop but a very different overall performance if they mess with the configurable wattage.
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#5682645 Posted on: 06/20/2019 06:31 PM
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As Intel is currently constrained on 10nm it will be interesting to see how these are priced compared to AMD.
Lots of Intel news recently so I guess the new AMD processor will not be a dud.