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Intel 8-core LGA1151 Processor For Z390 Could Be 14 nm Coffee Lake After All
Earlier last week we talked a little about the fact that Intel will be releasing another chipset called Z390 late this year. That is next to Coffee lake 6-core processors on the Z370 platform. Some new information appeared online, and the assumption that Z390 would be for 8-core 10nm Ice Lake products seems invalid.
To step that up, it seems to be the case that intel has an 8-core 14nm Coffee Lake processor in the works. The new information surfaced from an XTU errata log is showing change-log entry that reads out as "[CFL] Added support for 8,2 core,", see below. CFL obviously is short for Coffee Lake.
It would be an interesting move from Intel, as typically they design one desktop processor and base all models off from that one proc. To create an additional processor holding 8-cores is very unusual. If correct, this would be a 8-core/16-threaded part in the mainstream segment, and that would mean serious competition for AMD Ryzen 7.
Via: BenchLife.info, ComputerBase.de
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#5473577 Posted on: 09/20/2017 10:46 AM
I know processors take years to develop and most people defend that Intel had these in the works for some time.
I say that's BS: this is 100% a clear reaction to Ryzen and it's productivity value. It may not be a top winner for gaming, but most people like me would prefer to lose 10% in gaming and gain 50 or 100% in multithread performance.
Also, another chipset? Really Intel? Nope, I won't buy anything $hintel knowing I have zero upgrade path. At least I could get a 3770 to replace my 2500k, but currently this is BS.
I'm trying to hold of for 10/7nm parts before pulling the trigger and when I do, I'll sure go for the part that offers better price/performance overall.
Probably when AMD releases Zen2 in 7nm.
I know processors take years to develop and most people defend that Intel had these in the works for some time.
I say that's BS: this is 100% a clear reaction to Ryzen and it's productivity value. It may not be a top winner for gaming, but most people like me would prefer to lose 10% in gaming and gain 50 or 100% in multithread performance.
Also, another chipset? Really Intel? Nope, I won't buy anything $hintel knowing I have zero upgrade path. At least I could get a 3770 to replace my 2500k, but currently this is BS.
I'm trying to hold of for 10/7nm parts before pulling the trigger and when I do, I'll sure go for the part that offers better price/performance overall.
So god knows when 10 nm will arrive
Probably when AMD releases Zen2 in 7nm.
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#5473579 Posted on: 09/20/2017 10:50 AM
I can't see Intel's 8 core being competitive with the Ryzen 7 as of right now even the 7700k is still 40$(cad) more expensive than the 1700.
I can't see Intel's 8 core being competitive with the Ryzen 7 as of right now even the 7700k is still 40$(cad) more expensive than the 1700.
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#5473586 Posted on: 09/20/2017 11:18 AM
Yeah Amd did drop a bombshell on all of us pretty-much but in a good way tough,I wont lie I still like to build an intel-based system since my beloved 4790k retired.They are paniking and rushing releases like crazy,You can just tell!...If Zen 2 clocks higher which I hope it will interesting times ahead for sure.The part that pisses me off is they are still trying to charge a price-premium even tough they are clearly losing out to Amd this time around! Assholes.
Yeah Amd did drop a bombshell on all of us pretty-much but in a good way tough,I wont lie I still like to build an intel-based system since my beloved 4790k retired.They are paniking and rushing releases like crazy,You can just tell!...If Zen 2 clocks higher which I hope it will interesting times ahead for sure.The part that pisses me off is they are still trying to charge a price-premium even tough they are clearly losing out to Amd this time around! Assholes.
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#5473601 Posted on: 09/20/2017 12:24 PM
For desktop? Idk, but they already showed off 10nm cannonlake in a laptop at CES this year.
So god knows when 10 nm will arrive
For desktop? Idk, but they already showed off 10nm cannonlake in a laptop at CES this year.
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#5473606 Posted on: 09/20/2017 12:35 PM
I assume if this is true, Coffee Lake will be a 8-core part and the 4 and 6-core parts will be made from the same silicone.
Really 2018 might be as interesting as 2017 has been for CPU's if Ice Lake and Zen 2 both make it.
I assume if this is true, Coffee Lake will be a 8-core part and the 4 and 6-core parts will be made from the same silicone.
Really 2018 might be as interesting as 2017 has been for CPU's if Ice Lake and Zen 2 both make it.
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#5473609 Posted on: 09/20/2017 12:40 PM
Basically if this is true z370 is dead before it even arrived
Basically if this is true z370 is dead before it even arrived
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#5473615 Posted on: 09/20/2017 12:46 PM
Was about to post this..
Meh, I'll pass then. Icelake where its at for my next upgrade, if, or Zen2.
Was about to post this..
Meh, I'll pass then. Icelake where its at for my next upgrade, if, or Zen2.
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#5473616 Posted on: 09/20/2017 12:47 PM
I assume if this is true, Coffee Lake will be a 8-core part and the 4 and 6-core parts will be made from the same silicone.
Really 2018 might be as interesting as 2017 has been for CPU's if Ice Lake and Zen 2 both make it.
I hope not considering how bad 7800x is with latency. Early die shots show native 4 cores in CFL.
Basically if this is true z370 is dead before it even arrived
One of the few times I completely agree with you.
I assume if this is true, Coffee Lake will be a 8-core part and the 4 and 6-core parts will be made from the same silicone.
Really 2018 might be as interesting as 2017 has been for CPU's if Ice Lake and Zen 2 both make it.
I hope not considering how bad 7800x is with latency. Early die shots show native 4 cores in CFL.
Basically if this is true z370 is dead before it even arrived
One of the few times I completely agree with you.
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#5473638 Posted on: 09/20/2017 01:33 PM
Kind had a feeling they were gonna do this with Z390. Regardless i'm hoping 8-core Ice Lake will come around March 2018 *fingers crossed* new chipset or not
Kind had a feeling they were gonna do this with Z390. Regardless i'm hoping 8-core Ice Lake will come around March 2018 *fingers crossed* new chipset or not
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#5473658 Posted on: 09/20/2017 02:21 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if its even remotely possible to have a thread about intel without all you clowns showing up and reciting the same sh*t talk over and over. You think you're doing AMD a favor in some bizarre way but all you're doing is making AMD supporters look bad.
I'm beginning to wonder if its even remotely possible to have a thread about intel without all you clowns showing up and reciting the same sh*t talk over and over. You think you're doing AMD a favor in some bizarre way but all you're doing is making AMD supporters look bad.
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#5473663 Posted on: 09/20/2017 02:38 PM
I think Intel are bricking it. I don't doubt they could quite easily make the new 6-core CPUs work perfectly well with Z170 and Z270, but they're just after cash, much like Samsung and Apple with the latest Galaxy and iPhone being $1000...
AMD have already promised AM4 will support Zen for at least another generation (or 2) and with the Raven Ridge APUs making an appearance soon, we've got a lot to look forward to.
I think Intel are bricking it. I don't doubt they could quite easily make the new 6-core CPUs work perfectly well with Z170 and Z270, but they're just after cash, much like Samsung and Apple with the latest Galaxy and iPhone being $1000...
AMD have already promised AM4 will support Zen for at least another generation (or 2) and with the Raven Ridge APUs making an appearance soon, we've got a lot to look forward to.
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#5473699 Posted on: 09/20/2017 04:20 PM
This is my opinion !
Intel has run into the same road block as nvidia in terms of delivering next generation AKA innovative consumer driven products at costs that can compete with AMD. If one doesn't own AMD stock right now, big mistake. The separation between generations is growing and Intel / Nvidia have been scratching their own backs for so long, they literally could be out paced by the little engine "that could", AMD. On top of that, AMD's licensing capability with all of the advancements they made in the past 3 years, epic.
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How is Nvidia at a road block like Intel? They literally double perf/w every generation and bring a slew of add-value features to consumer parts and innovative deep learning to pro markets. Volta seems like it's no exception. Every single day there I read another article about how innovative they are and the opposite of Intel and you're saying they are the same.. what?
This is my opinion !
Intel has run into the same road block as nvidia in terms of delivering next generation AKA innovative consumer driven products at costs that can compete with AMD. If one doesn't own AMD stock right now, big mistake. The separation between generations is growing and Intel / Nvidia have been scratching their own backs for so long, they literally could be out paced by the little engine "that could", AMD. On top of that, AMD's licensing capability with all of the advancements they made in the past 3 years, epic.
<3 Trump.
How is Nvidia at a road block like Intel? They literally double perf/w every generation and bring a slew of add-value features to consumer parts and innovative deep learning to pro markets. Volta seems like it's no exception. Every single day there I read another article about how innovative they are and the opposite of Intel and you're saying they are the same.. what?
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#5473706 Posted on: 09/20/2017 04:38 PM
Archaic means? As opposed to what? What did RX Vega bring that's so new and revolutionary? Clock for clock the performance is essentially identical to Fury X. HBM2/HBCC and all the other stuff they tacked on for the prosumer/deep learning market doesn't really do anything for consumers. Like if that's the innovation you're talking about, it seems pretty dumb from a margins/marketing perspective which is adverse to stock value. Not to mention that most of stuff Nvidia already did first - HBM2 was on an Nvidia card first. Nvidia would have also had 3D Memory first with HMC but Intel/Micron effectively abandoned the project. Nvidia's been able to address unified memory since Maxwell and NVLink is a node based bus that's akin to Infinity Fabric but came nearly two years earlier. All the work AMD's doing on the front end to improve geometry performance Nvidia's had in it's architecture since Kepler, Tiled Raster since Maxwell.
There is no Nvidia API - you're talking about Gameworks, which are libraries, most of which are open source now, no more excuses for AMD's driver team - which were garbage excuses to begin with. There are plenty of Vulcan/DX12 benchmarks out - Nvidia doesn't really perform any worse in them and the only reason why AMD performs better than AMD's performance in DX11 is because of how bad their drivers/architecture are at parallelizing tasks single threaded tasks at dispatch. Something Nvidia worked around with innovation - the thing you say they don't have. They don't gain much on DX12/Vulcan because their pipeline is already filled.
Sorry, I hate Intel as much as you, I like AMD, I like what they are doing with stuff like Mantle/Vulkan, their processors - even some of the tech in their GPUs, I agree with your stock point, I own $20K worth of AMD stock - but saying Nvidia is the same as Intel in terms of innovation is ridiculous. Intel hasn't done anything of note in years, Nvidia does it regularly.
Doubling performance through archaic means on the consumer level , my opinion. One of the core reason they get the performance is because of Nvidia's API for game developers. What happens when everything running on vulcan or true dx12 ?
Archaic means? As opposed to what? What did RX Vega bring that's so new and revolutionary? Clock for clock the performance is essentially identical to Fury X. HBM2/HBCC and all the other stuff they tacked on for the prosumer/deep learning market doesn't really do anything for consumers. Like if that's the innovation you're talking about, it seems pretty dumb from a margins/marketing perspective which is adverse to stock value. Not to mention that most of stuff Nvidia already did first - HBM2 was on an Nvidia card first. Nvidia would have also had 3D Memory first with HMC but Intel/Micron effectively abandoned the project. Nvidia's been able to address unified memory since Maxwell and NVLink is a node based bus that's akin to Infinity Fabric but came nearly two years earlier. All the work AMD's doing on the front end to improve geometry performance Nvidia's had in it's architecture since Kepler, Tiled Raster since Maxwell.
There is no Nvidia API - you're talking about Gameworks, which are libraries, most of which are open source now, no more excuses for AMD's driver team - which were garbage excuses to begin with. There are plenty of Vulcan/DX12 benchmarks out - Nvidia doesn't really perform any worse in them and the only reason why AMD performs better than AMD's performance in DX11 is because of how bad their drivers/architecture are at parallelizing tasks single threaded tasks at dispatch. Something Nvidia worked around with innovation - the thing you say they don't have. They don't gain much on DX12/Vulcan because their pipeline is already filled.
Sorry, I hate Intel as much as you, I like AMD, I like what they are doing with stuff like Mantle/Vulkan, their processors - even some of the tech in their GPUs, I agree with your stock point, I own $20K worth of AMD stock - but saying Nvidia is the same as Intel in terms of innovation is ridiculous. Intel hasn't done anything of note in years, Nvidia does it regularly.
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#5473714 Posted on: 09/20/2017 05:00 PM
Can nvidia do A-sync ? We aren't even through the first generation of Vulcan or Dx12 games / benchmarks so to conclude anything about "single threads" or multi-threads is premature.
New technology that doesn't cater to a certain vendor , some how become irrelevant....
A-sync is not DX12. It's a catchphrase used in AMD marketing. Pascal beats all AMD GPU's in a-synchronized workloads.
Can nvidia do A-sync ? We aren't even through the first generation of Vulcan or Dx12 games / benchmarks so to conclude anything about "single threads" or multi-threads is premature.
New technology that doesn't cater to a certain vendor , some how become irrelevant....
A-sync is not DX12. It's a catchphrase used in AMD marketing. Pascal beats all AMD GPU's in a-synchronized workloads.
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So god knows when 10 nm will arrive