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Intel 16MB BIOS restriction - removes BIOS support for Core i5 7640X and i7 7740X (Kaby Lake-X).
Yesterday we reported that Intel issued a product notification with the entire Kaby Lake generation going EOL, meaning the will not fabricate the processors anymore. Today we're advancing on that with a bit of a warning if you own X299 with a Core i5-7640X, i7-7740X you probably want to double-check compatibility on your future firmware updates.
It's kind of weird to see this posted on the Intel website as to why drop BIOS support? Well the answer to that question is in fact a simple one, for the very same issue that AMD recently ran into the fact that some older processors had to be removed from their 16MB BIOSes, firmware space restrictions. Intel needs to add, and thus clear room for the Core i9 10980XE, i9 10940X, i9 109020X and i9 10900X into that X299 firmware.
So again, Kaby Lake X generation processors are no longer supported with new Intel firmware. However, motherboard manufacturers could still support the processors, as the notification is solely from Intel. Their firmware, however, propagates to the motherboard partners. For AMD Ryzen 3000 MSI, for example, bypassed the space restriction by revamping the UEFI interface with a very simply and space-saving GUI layout. For Intel, the processors involved are the Core i5 7640X (review) and Core i7 7740X (review).
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#5719770 Posted on: 10/12/2019 12:00 PM
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No one even bought these cpus. These ware on the gamers nexus worst of the year list. Wtf was Intel thinking.
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#5719877 Posted on: 10/12/2019 10:00 PM
Those are some complicated to read CPU names. Maybe Ten Nine Eighty and Ten Nine Fourty is the easiest to say.
Those are some complicated to read CPU names. Maybe Ten Nine Eighty and Ten Nine Fourty is the easiest to say.
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#5719908 Posted on: 10/12/2019 11:33 PM
Wait those were real CPU’s?
Wait those were real CPU’s?
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#5719953 Posted on: 10/13/2019 02:30 AM
Them are some classy naming schemes... for the lazy marketing.
Them are some classy naming schemes... for the lazy marketing.
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#5719956 Posted on: 10/13/2019 03:01 AM
Wait Intel has actually been bothering to produce these all this time? Even during their whole issue keeping up with production? I figured they were only going to make a few hundred of them back when the only CPU available for X299 was the 7900X.
Wait Intel has actually been bothering to produce these all this time? Even during their whole issue keeping up with production? I figured they were only going to make a few hundred of them back when the only CPU available for X299 was the 7900X.
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#5720003 Posted on: 10/13/2019 10:18 AM
Yes it was CPU on X299 that were almost twice the price of their 1151 equivalent and were restricting the X299 motherboard due to lack of lane.
To be short you had a 1151 system at X299's price
a real bargain lol
Wait those were real CPU’s?
Yes it was CPU on X299 that were almost twice the price of their 1151 equivalent and were restricting the X299 motherboard due to lack of lane.
To be short you had a 1151 system at X299's price
a real bargain lol
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#5720005 Posted on: 10/13/2019 10:48 AM
They really only had one target audience: Overclockers, because the one benefit being on 2066 was a much beefier power delivery through the socket. But obviously making an production CPU for such a small audience was a bad idea.
To be short you had a 1151 system at X299's price a real bargain lol
a real bargain lolThey really only had one target audience: Overclockers, because the one benefit being on 2066 was a much beefier power delivery through the socket. But obviously making an production CPU for such a small audience was a bad idea.
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#5720030 Posted on: 10/13/2019 01:33 PM
Yes it was CPU on X299 that were almost twice the price of their 1151 equivalent and were restricting the X299 motherboard due to lack of lane.
To be short you had a 1151 system at X299's price a real bargain lol
That post was sarcasm.
Yes it was CPU on X299 that were almost twice the price of their 1151 equivalent and were restricting the X299 motherboard due to lack of lane.
To be short you had a 1151 system at X299's price
a real bargain lolThat post was sarcasm.
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#5720041 Posted on: 10/13/2019 02:14 PM
i think the value of having new cpu support on older motherboard overweight the loss, exactly like on amd case where some 320s and 350s dropped support for first gen ryzen to get the third.
i think the value of having new cpu support on older motherboard overweight the loss, exactly like on amd case where some 320s and 350s dropped support for first gen ryzen to get the third.
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#5720044 Posted on: 10/13/2019 02:25 PM
Maybe it's an idea to cut down on products.
Just have a range of CPUs within the same name but different prices if one boosts less than the other.
Maybe it's an idea to cut down on products.
Just have a range of CPUs within the same name but different prices if one boosts less than the other.
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#5720053 Posted on: 10/13/2019 03:20 PM
Intel is starting to cleanup their house of all the trash they produced over the last 10 years.
Imagine the rotten stink in there...
Intel is starting to cleanup their house of all the trash they produced over the last 10 years.
Imagine the rotten stink in there...
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#5720183 Posted on: 10/14/2019 03:32 AM
I might be reading this wrong but why pull support for those cpu from motherboard bios? I get the cpu going EOL, kind shitting thing to do to people that bought them to even had support pulled from them motherboards too even if it due to running out space on the bios memory.
Basicly people that have those cpu and actual keep up with bios updates are screwed to never see new bios? if the chipset supported when it was announced it should support it till the day the chipset is no longer supported/updated if the board never had that support in first place then it dont mater
I might be reading this wrong but why pull support for those cpu from motherboard bios? I get the cpu going EOL, kind shitting thing to do to people that bought them to even had support pulled from them motherboards too even if it due to running out space on the bios memory.
Basicly people that have those cpu and actual keep up with bios updates are screwed to never see new bios? if the chipset supported when it was announced it should support it till the day the chipset is no longer supported/updated if the board never had that support in first place then it dont mater
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#5720189 Posted on: 10/14/2019 04:37 AM
I'm surprised people are discussing the CPUs rather than the fact that these companies had the balls and complete lack of respect and morals to shit out boards with only 16MB for the BIOS. The cost for a proper one is negligible, guess they wanted to keep the cost at nothing since they all have enormous dumpsters full of those 16MB chips and have for many years now. Instead they prefer to spend their "budget" on dumb shit.
Like my MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon: It has TWO 8 pin power connectors when it's literally impossible for it to pull how much 2 of those can deliver, and it's more than even a 16 core chip would need. But the UEFI? 16MB chip. The UEFI had to be cut down the 1980s style BIOS along with cutting support for several chips in order to add support for Zen 2. And it's the only BIOS chip on the board... SOLDERED, not socketed. This is the first board I've had in over 4000 years which doesn't have dual socketed BIOS chips. I would have much preferred that instead of superficial BS which does literally nothing.
I'm surprised people are discussing the CPUs rather than the fact that these companies had the balls and complete lack of respect and morals to shit out boards with only 16MB for the BIOS. The cost for a proper one is negligible, guess they wanted to keep the cost at nothing since they all have enormous dumpsters full of those 16MB chips and have for many years now. Instead they prefer to spend their "budget" on dumb shit.
Like my MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon: It has TWO 8 pin power connectors when it's literally impossible for it to pull how much 2 of those can deliver, and it's more than even a 16 core chip would need. But the UEFI? 16MB chip. The UEFI had to be cut down the 1980s style BIOS along with cutting support for several chips in order to add support for Zen 2. And it's the only BIOS chip on the board... SOLDERED, not socketed. This is the first board I've had in over 4000 years which doesn't have dual socketed BIOS chips. I would have much preferred that instead of superficial BS which does literally nothing.
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#5720192 Posted on: 10/14/2019 05:41 AM
- This
to crap out boards with only 16MB for the BIOS. The cost for a proper one is negligible, guess they wanted to keep the cost at nothing since they all have enormous dumpsters full of those 16MB chips and have for many years now
- This
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No one even bought these cpus. These ware on the gn worst of the year list. Wtf was Intel thinking.