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For Intel 10nm will be a less productive node than 14nm and 22nm
Intel has shared some info about 10nm, stating that 10nm as a fabrication node is less productive compared to 14 and 22nm. Not exactly a surprise of course considering how long Intel has been having issues with 10nm. At one point everybody even figured they would skip 10nm together.
Intel, however, hopes and expects to retain their leading position with other nodes like 7nm and is mentioning 'leadership' at 5nm.
Intel's chief financial officer George Davis acknowledges that 10nm "won't be the best node Intel has ever had." "It's going to be less productive than 14nm and then 22nm, but we're excited about the improvements we're seeing and we expect to start the 7nm period with a much better performance outlook at the end of 2021." TSMC has already mentioned it is scaling up towards 5nm production and even expects mass production of 3nm late 2022.
On Monday Intel reported to open up its decommissioned Costa Rico factory again to increase 14nm production. Intel's pending Comet Lake processor series for desktops also is based on a refined 14nm fabrication process.
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#5766236 Posted on: 03/05/2020 11:24 AM
Less productive = Higher costs
It will be interesting to see he retail price when they drop compared to previous gen
If the performance increase is minimal i can see alot of people skipping this gen
Less productive = Higher costs
It will be interesting to see he retail price when they drop compared to previous gen
If the performance increase is minimal i can see alot of people skipping this gen
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#5766272 Posted on: 03/05/2020 01:52 PM
smaller process + more cores = crappier yields
Going the chiplet route is how you continue to add cores while shrinking transistors without killing yields.
I wonder where Intel would be right now if 10nm was planned to be a chiplet design?
smaller process + more cores = crappier yields
Going the chiplet route is how you continue to add cores while shrinking transistors without killing yields.
I wonder where Intel would be right now if 10nm was planned to be a chiplet design?
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#5766294 Posted on: 03/05/2020 03:37 PM
Less productive = Higher costs
It will be interesting to see he retail price when they drop compared to previous gen
If the performance increase is minimal i can see alot of people skipping this gen
Skipping gen is an argument that does not work anymore imho.
Since gens are similar ( some years now ), people really update when they are on something old or break the pc.
In this case they buy on their preferences/requirement with whatever they want to buy. Price is usually the factor.
Then there are people that manage to sell old component and update every 6 months, but those are so few people that do not make the `a lot` in any case.
The `intel is still on 14nm` topic is an argument just on those kinds of forums and nowhere else.
While AMD new cpu for 2020 could be awesome, they could also not be, and in this case we would be left with similar cpus, intel and amd with price differences in different segments, but where marketing and vendors opinion would still move most of the buyers wherever they want to.
Less productive = Higher costs
It will be interesting to see he retail price when they drop compared to previous gen
If the performance increase is minimal i can see alot of people skipping this gen
Skipping gen is an argument that does not work anymore imho.
Since gens are similar ( some years now ), people really update when they are on something old or break the pc.
In this case they buy on their preferences/requirement with whatever they want to buy. Price is usually the factor.
Then there are people that manage to sell old component and update every 6 months, but those are so few people that do not make the `a lot` in any case.
The `intel is still on 14nm` topic is an argument just on those kinds of forums and nowhere else.
While AMD new cpu for 2020 could be awesome, they could also not be, and in this case we would be left with similar cpus, intel and amd with price differences in different segments, but where marketing and vendors opinion would still move most of the buyers wherever they want to.
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#5766300 Posted on: 03/05/2020 04:30 PM
Less productive really means they will have 7nm ramped up not much after they are finally are able to fix 10nm for desktop and server chips aka 10nm+.
@asturur AMD's Zen3 chips are going to be awesome
No fanboy but you don't do a new design on a better 7nm EUV process and not eek out some IPC and frequency gains. Doesn't take much to be better than Intel in every regard this iteration.
Less productive really means they will have 7nm ramped up not much after they are finally are able to fix 10nm for desktop and server chips aka 10nm+.
@asturur AMD's Zen3 chips are going to be awesome
No fanboy but you don't do a new design on a better 7nm EUV process and not eek out some IPC and frequency gains. Doesn't take much to be better than Intel in every regard this iteration.
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