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Extensive distributor leak reveals AMD and Intel Roadmaps - AMD Z490 and Intel Z390, 8-Core CFL
A colossal frack up from German-based Bluechip. They have had a 30-minute youtube Webinar presentation for its business partners where it shared NDA information on both Intel and AMD releases, these include time schedule releases for AMD Z490, Intel Z390 and 8-Core Coffee Lake in Q4.
The Youtube video since then has been taken offline, however, as with anything on the web, everything can be traced and Anandtech got hold of the screengrabs. Including the most important screengrabs of that presentation actually.It is quite amazing that this presentation video was even online to the public. Well hey, good stuff for us right?
We can be very short here, as the information shows everything we recently have been discussing, and that kind of confirms our expectations. The top of the slides confirms the recent Raven Ridge releases followed by the H370/B360 launches. But then things get interesting. AMD is indeed is planning Z490 platform, to be released in June say Computex time; the new chipset will add an extra 4 PCIe Gen 3.0 lanes for usage of another full speed M2 slot.
Other than that, it's the same as the current X470. A B450 chipset is also mentioned, expected in July. The AMD Zen+ Threadripper refresh is due for a release in August, there will be a refresh of X399 motherboards as well, but no new chipset.
When we move to Intel, the Z390 chipset makes its return. But that is not due for release anytime sooner than Q3 2018. Paired with the chipset is indeed the 8-core Coffee Lake processor. However, that one will arrive not anytime sooner than Q4 2018.
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#5543799 Posted on: 05/04/2018 12:42 PM
Ryzen on AM4 has access to more lanes than they give for GFX, given how many one can get out of a threadripper CPU, at least 32 must be in there, just not exploited.
Super curious about Cascade Lake-X and how many more CPU pci-e lanes Intel are allowing for Coffee Lake, now that I've read AMD are adding more. Intel non-X platforms desperately need more CPU lanes, only 16 is just stupid, needs to be 24 at least or better yet 32. 
Ryzen on AM4 has access to more lanes than they give for GFX, given how many one can get out of a threadripper CPU, at least 32 must be in there, just not exploited.
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#5543800 Posted on: 05/04/2018 12:46 PM
You need a new socket to export more CPU lanes, so on AM4 or 1151, this is really unrealistic to change, unless they planned for this to happen when designing the socket and it just got unused (and undiscovered) for all this time.
The only change I'm aware of is that AMD is finally switching their chipset connection to PCIe 3.0, which basically doubles the bandwidth available from/to the chipset, so thats something (also something they really should've done from the beginning, but thats another topic).
I do hope that the next generation of CPUs (with new sockets) actually do increase this to at least 20 from the CPU directly, so you can have GPU + SSD running on that, without having to tie the SSD to the chipset already.
You need a new socket to export more CPU lanes, so on AM4 or 1151, this is really unrealistic to change, unless they planned for this to happen when designing the socket and it just got unused (and undiscovered) for all this time.
The only change I'm aware of is that AMD is finally switching their chipset connection to PCIe 3.0, which basically doubles the bandwidth available from/to the chipset, so thats something (also something they really should've done from the beginning, but thats another topic).
I do hope that the next generation of CPUs (with new sockets) actually do increase this to at least 20 from the CPU directly, so you can have GPU + SSD running on that, without having to tie the SSD to the chipset already.
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#5543801 Posted on: 05/04/2018 12:56 PM
I feel like its only a matter of time (and soon) that we see more CPU lanes made available, m.2 and graphics cards becoming more powerful is just going to force the change.
Ryzen on AM4 has access to more lanes than they give for GFX, given how many one can get out of a threadripper CPU, at least 32 must be in there, just not exploited.
I feel like its only a matter of time (and soon) that we see more CPU lanes made available, m.2 and graphics cards becoming more powerful is just going to force the change.
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#5543836 Posted on: 05/04/2018 03:29 PM
Interesting chipset update on that AMD Z490 = More pciE lanes.
Interesting chipset update on that AMD Z490 = More pciE lanes.
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#5543902 Posted on: 05/04/2018 05:53 PM
Threadripper is already extremely OP for the home/prosumer user. No need for new chipset.
The thing has freekin' 64 PCI-e lanes from the get-go, you can do SLI (x2) at full bandwidth, quad M.2, dual 10 gigabit Ethernet, dual USB 3.1 Gen 2 and you STILL have lanes free to run everything else at full bandwidth !
Time to start saving $ for August ;-)
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Threadripper is already extremely OP for the home/prosumer user. No need for new chipset.
The thing has freekin' 64 PCI-e lanes from the get-go, you can do SLI (x2) at full bandwidth, quad M.2, dual 10 gigabit Ethernet, dual USB 3.1 Gen 2 and you STILL have lanes free to run everything else at full bandwidth !
Time to start saving $ for August ;-)
4 months to go
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#5543906 Posted on: 05/04/2018 06:01 PM
I was literally going to buy an x470 board today.... guess ill wait another month
I was literally going to buy an x470 board today.... guess ill wait another month
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#5543911 Posted on: 05/04/2018 06:13 PM
Not necessarily. A lot of CPU pins serve no purpose and are there on reserve for such scenarios, though it may result in fractured backward compatibility (which is probably why Intel changes chipsets so often, since it makes their lives easier even though the socket is still pretty much exactly the same). Worst-case scenario, the chipset itself could be what offers the additional lanes.
I agree. I also think it's a bit odd that (at least for AMD) they dedicate x8 of the gen 3.0 lanes to their IGP. That seems a bit too heavy; x4 lanes ought to be plenty sufficient for Vega 11 and lower.
You need a new socket to export more CPU lanes, so on AM4 or 1151, this is really unrealistic to change, unless they planned for this to happen when designing the socket and it just got unused (and undiscovered) for all this time.
Not necessarily. A lot of CPU pins serve no purpose and are there on reserve for such scenarios, though it may result in fractured backward compatibility (which is probably why Intel changes chipsets so often, since it makes their lives easier even though the socket is still pretty much exactly the same). Worst-case scenario, the chipset itself could be what offers the additional lanes.
I do hope that the next generation of CPUs (with new sockets) actually do increase this to at least 20 from the CPU directly, so you can have GPU + SSD running on that, without having to tie the SSD to the chipset already.
I agree. I also think it's a bit odd that (at least for AMD) they dedicate x8 of the gen 3.0 lanes to their IGP. That seems a bit too heavy; x4 lanes ought to be plenty sufficient for Vega 11 and lower.
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#5544047 Posted on: 05/05/2018 02:36 AM
WTF
seriously?
i leave to the mountains one day early... and (almost) all the crap i couldn't say are floating in the wind.
i know for a fact i'd be "banned", i was told so. These Guys, unless they are absolutely essential, just screwed the pooch.
WTF
seriously?
i leave to the mountains one day early... and (almost) all the crap i couldn't say are floating in the wind.
i know for a fact i'd be "banned", i was told so. These Guys, unless they are absolutely essential, just screwed the pooch.
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Super curious about Cascade Lake-X and how many more CPU pci-e lanes Intel are allowing for Coffee Lake, now that I've read AMD are adding more. Intel non-X platforms desperately need more CPU lanes, only 16 is just stupid, needs to be 24 at least or better yet 32.