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AMD Ryzen 7 have a Temperature 20 Degree C Reporting Offset

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 03/14/2017 08:57 AM | source: | 14 comment(s)
AMD Ryzen 7  have a Temperature 20 Degree C Reporting Offset

Alright, in the same blog post as mentioned in the previous item AMD also talks about a Temperature Reporting Offset. This one was new to us, but basically what they claim is the following. To keep a "consistent fan policy," AMD is forcing 20C offset on the Ryzen 1700X and 1800X processors. This makes them report temperature a good 20C above what the sensor reads. 

All models on the AM4 Platform have the same maximum tCTL value.

Temperature Reporting

The primary temperature reporting sensor of the AMD Ryzen™ processor is a sensor called “T Control,” or tCTL for short. The tCTL sensor is derived from the junction (Tj) temperature—the interface point between the die and heatspreader—but it may be offset on certain CPU models so that all models on the AM4 Platform have the same maximum tCTL value. This approach ensures that all AMD Ryzen™ processors have a consistent fan policy.

Specifically, the AMD Ryzen™ 7 1700X and 1800X carry a +20°C offset between the tCTL° (reported) temperature and the actual Tj° temperature. In the short term, users of the AMD Ryzen™ 1700X and 1800X can simply subtract 20°C to determine the true junction temperature of their processor. No arithmetic is required for the Ryzen 7 1700. Long term, we expect temperature monitoring software to better understand our tCTL offsets to report the junction temperature automatically.

The table below serves as an example of how the tCTL sensor can be interpreted in a hypothetical scenario where a Ryzen processor is operating at 38°C.

Product NameTrue Junction Temp (Example)tCTL Offset for Fan Policy
Temp Reported by tCTL
AMD Ryzen™ 7 1800X 38°C 20°C 58°C
AMD Ryzen™ 7 1700X 38°C 20°C 58°C
AMD Ryzen™ 7 1700 38°C 0°C 38°C






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Ryu5uzaku
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#5406291 Posted on: 03/14/2017 09:09 AM
Ah good to know. Haven't gotten my 1800x yet but good to know it runs as cool as 1700 or cooler considering it needs lower voltages according to many places to run similar clocks.

thatguy91
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#5406296 Posted on: 03/14/2017 09:17 AM
To keep a "consistent fan policy," AMD is forcing 20C offset on the Ryzen 1700X and 1800X processors. This makes them report temperature a good 20C above what the sensor reads.


If the fan control is based off the tCTL reading, how would it make for a consistent fan policy? The 1700 at 38C will be running much lower than the 1700X or 1800X at 58C, which would make the fan policy incosistent.

Programs taking this into consideration isn't exactly a great idea, especially if knew models come out and the policy changes. In this situation, they may under-report the temperature, run the fan slow, and have the CPU's run hot. This also begs the question, why is there incosistencies with the temperature reporting between the 1700 and 1700X/1800X such that a 20C offset is required to ensure 'consistent fan policy'?.

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#5406318 Posted on: 03/14/2017 10:28 AM
You can see 2 different cpu temp readings in Aida64. Cpu and cpu package?

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#5406385 Posted on: 03/14/2017 02:04 PM
You can see 2 different cpu temp readings in Aida64. Cpu and cpu package?


Happens with any CPU in Aida64...

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#5406507 Posted on: 03/14/2017 06:35 PM
'To keep a "consistent fan policy," AMD is forcing 20C offset'

Should read 'To keep CPU from "cooking", AMD is forcing 20C offset'
"Consistent fan policy" sounds like BS to me...Sounds more like AMD's ramshackle fix for a hot CPU...

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