AMD removes Threadripper 3 from 2019 roadmap

#5666524 Posted on: 05/07/2019 08:37 AM

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I hope it's not postponed too much, because I want to upgrade my trusty 1950x Still hoping for fall 2019 :p

#5666582 Posted on: 05/07/2019 12:03 PM

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Threadripper 2 actually, or 3000.

#5666595 Posted on: 05/07/2019 12:36 PM

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It was not removed, just the image was zoomed in.

#5666600 Posted on: 05/07/2019 12:54 PM

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Sarcasm...?
Of course it's "zoomed in"... because Threadripper has been removed. They couldn't just leave a blank spot in its place.

#5666611 Posted on: 05/07/2019 01:09 PM

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Well, it was already on the far right on the initial road map, without a "date", so I guess they just removed it for now.

I reckon they are not completely cancelled, but I guess they haven't been selling that many of them either (in comparison to the regular Ryzen cpu's).

And if the 16core Ryzen 3000 rumours are true, I honestly don't think they "need" consumer Threadripper cpu's anymore at this point

#5666642 Posted on: 05/07/2019 02:54 PM

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Was thinking the same thing, only difference would be ram limit, pcie lanes and quad channel.

#5666676 Posted on: 05/07/2019 04:22 PM

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And if the 16core Ryzen 3000 rumours are true, I honestly don't think they "need" consumer Threadripper cpu's anymore at this point
There's always space for scaling. 16 cores are pretty good for a small server, but 24 are better, and so is 32, etc. So maybe they're delaying Threadripper since the demand isn't as big as regular ryzen CPU's, especially if yields of chips aren't enough to accommodate demand in both segments, but there's definitively money on the market that falls between ryzen and epyc.

#5666695 Posted on: 05/07/2019 05:23 PM

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I also don't think it'll be canceled. AMD will first focus on Ryzen (since that gets their name out there) and Eypc (since that's the biggest source of revenue). I'm sure they'll continue to prioritize Epyc until the binned parts start to not sell so well. Those parts will then be tweaked and re-branded for Threadripper.

Threadrippers were already relatively niche, but now that there's going to be 16-core Ryzens at a much lower price point than what a 16-core Threadripper could offer, they're going to be even less desirable. AMD isn't going to make a 48-64 core Threadripper (yet) and as I pretty much just said, 16 cores or less won't be appealing thanks to AM4 unless you really need the extra PCIe lanes or memory bandwidth. So, that means Threadrippers are pretty much going to be limited to 24 and 32 core models. Seems a little weird to basically have 2 options for a whole platform. Meanwhile, those CPUs won't be very appealing if they use 4x dies like they did with the 2990WX, due to memory bandwidth and task scheduling issues.

#5666704 Posted on: 05/07/2019 05:39 PM

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This seems like a smart play for a CPU in such niche market especially for AMD since they don't have the resources of Intel.

I can see lots of reasons for 16, 24, and 32 core Threadrippers. The 16 core version would bring the HEDT benefits along with decent clocks for single threaded performance. This would make a lovely multipurpose rendering and gaming CPU.

#5666709 Posted on: 05/07/2019 05:46 PM

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But... Intel doesn't even have traditional Intel resources. They're constantly facing a shortage and have even contracted others to help pick up their load.

Why couldn't the 16-core AM4 do that? If anything, the AM4 model would be better, since fewer memory channels usually means you can achieve higher clocks. Although there would still be a market for a 16-core TR, that really only applies to people who have an interest in more memory channels and PCIe lanes. But, depending how much that matters to you, Epyc might make more sense.

#5666719 Posted on: 05/07/2019 06:16 PM

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There's always space for scaling. 16 cores are pretty good for a small server, but 24 are better, and so is 32, etc. So maybe they're delaying Threadripper since the demand isn't as big as regular ryzen CPU's, especially if yields of chips aren't enough to accommodate demand in both segments, but there's definitively money on the market that falls between ryzen and epyc.

I would put money on AMD diverting its resources (and chiplets) to Zen 2 AM4 for an initial sales push and marketing blitz. Yields are supposedly decent - https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-zen-2-production-yields-for-ryzen-3000-dies-at-70-percent.html
The only other thing that makes sense to me is if they are planning for extremely high demand and or aggressive marketing / pricing push. In any case, I do hope we will get Threadripper 3000 before next year. I completely agree that there is a market segment that wants this as an in-between option vs Ryzen or Epyc.

But... Intel doesn't even have traditional Intel resources. They're constantly facing a shortage and have even contracted others to help pick up their load.

Why couldn't the 16-core AM4 do that? If anything, the AM4 model would be better, since fewer memory channels usually means you can achieve higher clocks. Although there would still be a market for a 16-core TR, that really only applies to people who have an interest in more memory channels and PCIe lanes. But, depending how much that matters to you, Epyc might make more sense.

As a current TR4 / threadripper owner and previous AM4 owner, I would not trade down to the AM4 for my workstation tasks. I'm probably an edge case but the Increased PCIe lanes for add-in cards and the higher memory limit are useful to me. The 16 core chip is also far more useful for heavy lifting vs the 2700x I had before - honestly I would have gotten the 2990w if I could have afforded it. The reason I don't buy an Epyc server is simple, I cannot afford an equally powerful Epyc build, and I highly doubt Epyc would function well as a gaming system for times when I'm not working (the 2950x is not noticeably different from the 2700x in that regard).

#5666724 Posted on: 05/07/2019 06:24 PM

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Why couldn't the 16-core AM4 do that? If anything, the AM4 model would be better, since fewer memory channels usually means you can achieve higher clocks.

And more memory channel mean significantly higher bandwith, which for some applications can be rather important. Having a choice would be fine, you can buy whichever you want.

Same can be said for PCIe lanes. There is plenty use-cases that make sense for workstations.

And Epyc costs a whole lot more money.

#5666752 Posted on: 05/07/2019 08:02 PM

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Totally agree Threadripper still has a place in the market (albeit a fairly small one) as a middle ground for people needing them for workstations (where Epyc is too expensive, or not really giving huge benefits over a TR build).

As I said, I am sure they won't cancel them - merely delaying them, as I feel people who would want them for Workstations more then likely already have a Threadripper in some form and can probably hold out a bit longer on upgrading them.

A Ryzen 16core would be a great thing though... I would finally have a reason to upgrade from my 14c Xeon 2683v3 - although... that would probably a Threadripper upgrade since the extra Pcie lanes are welcome haha

Maybe they will only be 24/32/48/64 ( ) core, seems rather silly (or confusing for the general consumer) to have a 16 core Ryzen and 16 core TR. :p

#5666780 Posted on: 05/07/2019 10:58 PM

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kinda dissapointed, i been waiting for castle-peak for upgrade
hope amd will still release it this year, or early next year

#5666803 Posted on: 05/08/2019 01:06 AM

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The only way i see this being true is if EPYC is in such high demand that even the lower-binned chips are selling to corporations, as fast if not faster then they can provide.

Otherwise it just doesn't make sense, considering one of the selling points for AMD with Threadripper was the fact they had a way to let loose the CPUs that didn't quite make it to EPYC standards.