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AMD Radeon Fury X doesn't have HDMI 2.0 support
So if you had a peek about all & everything presented in the past few days, one thing you will have noticed. The new architecture doesn't seem to offer support for HDMI 2.0, but instead still uses HDMI 1.4a. This means with Fury GPU based products, like the new project Quantum for example which really is a small form factor PC, you can't fully use it on an Ultra HD TV.
See, HDMI offer bandwidth support for 60hz, on 1.4a it'll drop back to a measly 30 Hz. A big miss if you ask me, HDMI 2.0 is the answer for products in the living room. Especially Nano and Project Quantum in mind, this might not have been the smartest move from the engineering team within AMD.
It's a bit of a thing for 4K gaming in the living room I'd say.
This question was answered by AMD Matt from our forums:
Q: Does the AMD Radeon R9 Fury X GPU have HDMI 2.0?
A: No. AMD recommends and uses DisplayPort 1.2a for 4K60 content.
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#5099445 Posted on: 06/18/2015 08:19 AM
You do realize that even if DP managed to kill HDMI there would be many upset users. Many users who use HDTV's as a monitor (or second screen) probably still connect to an older HDTV that supports 1080p which is HDMI only (or VGA/DVI). DisplayPort is only supported on some UHD4k screens. Just look at the AMD Fury thread and see how many are upset that the card lacks DVI, which is even older than HDMI. Just because you don't use it, doesn't mean that the need or want for it is gone.
You do realize that even if DP managed to kill HDMI there would be many upset users. Many users who use HDTV's as a monitor (or second screen) probably still connect to an older HDTV that supports 1080p which is HDMI only (or VGA/DVI). DisplayPort is only supported on some UHD4k screens. Just look at the AMD Fury thread and see how many are upset that the card lacks DVI, which is even older than HDMI. Just because you don't use it, doesn't mean that the need or want for it is gone.
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#5099449 Posted on: 06/18/2015 08:24 AM
30Hz lol thats crap
30Hz lol thats crap
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#5099453 Posted on: 06/18/2015 08:34 AM
I think this is a really bad move on AMD's part.
Look at the sales charts. There are A LOT of 4K TVs being sold right now, and most of the 4K content is on PC, not on 4K Blu-Ray or Smart TV networks yet.
Watching 60Hz content at 4K 30Hz on HDMI 1.4 is crappy, I know from experience.
I bought a GTX 980 for the PC attached to my Vizio P702ui-B3 and it's great. Controller based games that aren't very demanding look great. Video looks great. If the Fury X was out when I got it, I probably would have bought it instead if it had HDMI 2.0 (Dust is a problem in media center PCs and AMD's radiator paired with an easily accessible filter would have been a great solution).
I wonder how much cost is saved by not using HDMI 2.0 -- I bet lost revenue is more.
I think this is a really bad move on AMD's part.
Look at the sales charts. There are A LOT of 4K TVs being sold right now, and most of the 4K content is on PC, not on 4K Blu-Ray or Smart TV networks yet.
Watching 60Hz content at 4K 30Hz on HDMI 1.4 is crappy, I know from experience.
I bought a GTX 980 for the PC attached to my Vizio P702ui-B3 and it's great. Controller based games that aren't very demanding look great. Video looks great. If the Fury X was out when I got it, I probably would have bought it instead if it had HDMI 2.0 (Dust is a problem in media center PCs and AMD's radiator paired with an easily accessible filter would have been a great solution).
I wonder how much cost is saved by not using HDMI 2.0 -- I bet lost revenue is more.
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#5099454 Posted on: 06/18/2015 08:35 AM
DP is very versatile and do every thing that DVI does (DL-DVI and DVI-i included) but i agree with those who pout because there is no HDMI 2.0, this card is the flag ship of the brand... it's not middle segment, those who will buy it are very precise on spec they want.
Lot of people play on their TV and DP is not on their screen (and are less expensive than computer screen at these res, only freq are lot lower) so they can only use HDMI.
btw i was expecting the same for NVidia.
DP is very versatile and do every thing that DVI does (DL-DVI and DVI-i included) but i agree with those who pout because there is no HDMI 2.0, this card is the flag ship of the brand... it's not middle segment, those who will buy it are very precise on spec they want.
Lot of people play on their TV and DP is not on their screen (and are less expensive than computer screen at these res, only freq are lot lower) so they can only use HDMI.
btw i was expecting the same for NVidia.
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#5099462 Posted on: 06/18/2015 08:52 AM
the right question which video card have True HDMI 2.0? Only one problem, no graphi
the right question which video card have True HDMI 2.0?
Only one problem, no graphics cards with HDMI 2.0 in 2015
AMD Radeon Fury X doesn't have HDMI 2.0 support
everything is cheating, false and fake test in nvidia
not support hdmi 2.0
not support 18 gbps
to processing 18GBPS you need 1.8 times power
NVIDIA has sold tens of thousands to customers promised video cards with HDMI 2.0
It's a lie!
not have hdmi 2.0
NVIDIA
not Supports DCI-P3 because they do not have enough bandwidth only 10.2 gbps like hdmi 1.4
not support HDR because they do not have enough bandwidth only 10.2 gbps like hdmi 1.4
some people brought as testing like NVIDIA supports HDMI 2.0 this is wrong test
test does not test bandwidth .
the right question which video card have True HDMI 2.0? Only one problem, no graphi
the right question which video card have True HDMI 2.0?
Only one problem, no graphics cards with HDMI 2.0 in 2015
AMD Radeon Fury X doesn't have HDMI 2.0 support
everything is cheating, false and fake test in nvidia
not support hdmi 2.0
not support 18 gbps
to processing 18GBPS you need 1.8 times power
NVIDIA has sold tens of thousands to customers promised video cards with HDMI 2.0
It's a lie!
not have hdmi 2.0
NVIDIA
not Supports DCI-P3 because they do not have enough bandwidth only 10.2 gbps like hdmi 1.4
not support HDR because they do not have enough bandwidth only 10.2 gbps like hdmi 1.4
some people brought as testing like NVIDIA supports HDMI 2.0 this is wrong test
test does not test bandwidth .
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#5099478 Posted on: 06/18/2015 09:24 AM
the right question which video card have True HDMI 2.0?
Only one problem, no graphics cards with HDMI 2.0 in 2015
AMD Radeon Fury X doesn't have HDMI 2.0 support
everything is cheating, false and fake test in nvidia
not support hdmi 2.0
not support 18 gbps
to processing 18GBPS you need 1.8 times power
NVIDIA has sold tens of thousands to customers promised video cards with HDMI 2.0
It's a lie!
not have hdmi 2.0
NVIDIA
not Supports DCI-P3 because they do not have enough bandwidth only 10.2 gbps like hdmi 1.4
not support HDR because they do not have enough bandwidth only 10.2 gbps like hdmi 1.4
some people brought as testing like NVIDIA supports HDMI 2.0 this is wrong test
test does not test bandwidth .
Even the gtx960 is Hdmi 2.0
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-960/specifications
the right question which video card have True HDMI 2.0?
Only one problem, no graphics cards with HDMI 2.0 in 2015
AMD Radeon Fury X doesn't have HDMI 2.0 support
everything is cheating, false and fake test in nvidia
not support hdmi 2.0
not support 18 gbps
to processing 18GBPS you need 1.8 times power
NVIDIA has sold tens of thousands to customers promised video cards with HDMI 2.0
It's a lie!
not have hdmi 2.0
NVIDIA
not Supports DCI-P3 because they do not have enough bandwidth only 10.2 gbps like hdmi 1.4
not support HDR because they do not have enough bandwidth only 10.2 gbps like hdmi 1.4
some people brought as testing like NVIDIA supports HDMI 2.0 this is wrong test
test does not test bandwidth .
Even the gtx960 is Hdmi 2.0
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-960/specifications
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#5099479 Posted on: 06/18/2015 09:25 AM
AMD just keeps on making bad decisions.
AMD just keeps on making bad decisions.
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#5099482 Posted on: 06/18/2015 09:29 AM
There was shown a bizlink displayport to hdmi 2.0 4K@60hz at CES, so if you absolutely need HDMI2.0 since you have a 4k TV-set with HDMI2.0 already, there is a way or atleast very soon..
The total messup on HDMI2.0 standard is horrific, complaints everywhere, uncomressed color format failng with HDCP2.2 etc.. I'll never buy a UHD-TV without DisplayPort, ever..
There was shown a bizlink displayport to hdmi 2.0 4K@60hz at CES, so if you absolutely need HDMI2.0 since you have a 4k TV-set with HDMI2.0 already, there is a way or atleast very soon..
The total messup on HDMI2.0 standard is horrific, complaints everywhere, uncomressed color format failng with HDCP2.2 etc.. I'll never buy a UHD-TV without DisplayPort, ever..
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#5099489 Posted on: 06/18/2015 09:41 AM
Even the gtx960 is Hdmi 2.0
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-960/specifications
I think that is what he is trying to say... His statement shortened:
nVidia states that cards have HDMI 2.0, but in reality it does not have all HDMI 2.0 capabilities to drive all HDMI 2.0 features.
(Not that it would be 1st time when nV declares something what is not so true. Even DX12_1 feature set has to be tested 1st to see if it is real HW or just driver level = SW implementation.)
But I think that at time DX12_1 goes live in games, even Fury X/Titan X will be kind of weak.
Even the gtx960 is Hdmi 2.0
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-960/specifications
I think that is what he is trying to say... His statement shortened:
nVidia states that cards have HDMI 2.0, but in reality it does not have all HDMI 2.0 capabilities to drive all HDMI 2.0 features.
(Not that it would be 1st time when nV declares something what is not so true. Even DX12_1 feature set has to be tested 1st to see if it is real HW or just driver level = SW implementation.)
But I think that at time DX12_1 goes live in games, even Fury X/Titan X will be kind of weak.
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#5099491 Posted on: 06/18/2015 09:43 AM
I think that is what he is trying to say... His statement shortened:
nVidia states that cards have HDMI 2.0, but in reality it does not have all HDMI 2.0 capabilities to drive all HDMI 2.0 features.
No GPU ever supported all HDMI features. CEC anyone?
Yet NVIDIA does 4K @ 60Hz (at 4:4:4, of course) on the 900 series, which is the important part, and contrary to what that guy says, requires 12 gbps in performance, which wouldn't work on HDMI 1.4 link (which only does 10.2 gbps)
Many professional review sites have confirmed this working, so don't take the word of some anonymous online troll for it.
I think that is what he is trying to say... His statement shortened:
nVidia states that cards have HDMI 2.0, but in reality it does not have all HDMI 2.0 capabilities to drive all HDMI 2.0 features.
No GPU ever supported all HDMI features. CEC anyone?
Yet NVIDIA does 4K @ 60Hz (at 4:4:4, of course) on the 900 series, which is the important part, and contrary to what that guy says, requires 12 gbps in performance, which wouldn't work on HDMI 1.4 link (which only does 10.2 gbps)
Many professional review sites have confirmed this working, so don't take the word of some anonymous online troll for it.
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#5099492 Posted on: 06/18/2015 09:47 AM
That is completely and utterly *insane*.
Good luck getting that into any Steam Boxes or HTPCs.
That is completely and utterly *insane*.
Good luck getting that into any Steam Boxes or HTPCs.
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#5099494 Posted on: 06/18/2015 09:50 AM
No GPU ever supported all HDMI features. CEC anyone?
Yet NVIDIA does 4K @ 60Hz (at 4:4:4, of course) on the 900 series, which is the important part, and contrary to what that guy says, requires 12 gbps in performance, which wouldn't work on HDMI 1.4 link (which only does 10.2 gbps)
Many professional review sites have confirmed this working, so don't take the word of some anonymous online troll for it.
There are things and things. Those DVI/HDMI can be OCed a bit. And nVidia apparently used in past this:
TOM's-HW
AMD has 4:2:0 available too if someone wants to use it, I never did.
No GPU ever supported all HDMI features. CEC anyone?
Yet NVIDIA does 4K @ 60Hz (at 4:4:4, of course) on the 900 series, which is the important part, and contrary to what that guy says, requires 12 gbps in performance, which wouldn't work on HDMI 1.4 link (which only does 10.2 gbps)
Many professional review sites have confirmed this working, so don't take the word of some anonymous online troll for it.
There are things and things. Those DVI/HDMI can be OCed a bit. And nVidia apparently used in past this:
TOM's-HW
AMD has 4:2:0 available too if someone wants to use it, I never did.
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#5099496 Posted on: 06/18/2015 10:01 AM
the right question which video card have True HDMI 2.0?
Only one problem, no graphics cards with HDMI 2.0 in 2015
AMD Radeon Fury X doesn't have HDMI 2.0 support
everything is cheating, false and fake test in nvidia
not support hdmi 2.0
not support 18 gbps
to processing 18GBPS you need 1.8 times power
NVIDIA has sold tens of thousands to customers promised video cards with HDMI 2.0
It's a lie!
not have hdmi 2.0
NVIDIA
not Supports DCI-P3 because they do not have enough bandwidth only 10.2 gbps like hdmi 1.4
not support HDR because they do not have enough bandwidth only 10.2 gbps like hdmi 1.4
some people brought as testing like NVIDIA supports HDMI 2.0 this is wrong test
test does not test bandwidth .
... of course if you read ONLY amd test...
on pro side it support 4K since few after release, on normal consumer as already stated even the 960 is capable (despite it is not intended too (i guess it might be horrible exept in video playback) as middle/low segment)...
about power and bandwith you haven't get the right info...
the right question which video card have True HDMI 2.0?
Only one problem, no graphics cards with HDMI 2.0 in 2015
AMD Radeon Fury X doesn't have HDMI 2.0 support
everything is cheating, false and fake test in nvidia
not support hdmi 2.0
not support 18 gbps
to processing 18GBPS you need 1.8 times power
NVIDIA has sold tens of thousands to customers promised video cards with HDMI 2.0
It's a lie!
not have hdmi 2.0
NVIDIA
not Supports DCI-P3 because they do not have enough bandwidth only 10.2 gbps like hdmi 1.4
not support HDR because they do not have enough bandwidth only 10.2 gbps like hdmi 1.4
some people brought as testing like NVIDIA supports HDMI 2.0 this is wrong test
test does not test bandwidth .
... of course if you read ONLY amd test...
on pro side it support 4K since few after release, on normal consumer as already stated even the 960 is capable (despite it is not intended too (i guess it might be horrible exept in video playback) as middle/low segment)...
about power and bandwith you haven't get the right info...
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AMD promotes AdaptiveSync, at time they get it into HDMI standard or hack it in, they'll get their cards up to that standard.
I personally preferred DL-DVI over HDMI since IQ is same and I use separate sound.
(And I was not happy that DP did not manage to kill HDMI, but that is interface which matters to me now.)
DP all the way, if it can do 1440p @144Hz then it is good enough.