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2.5 Gbps Ethernet going Mainstream? Realtek launching RTL8125 mobo chip
I've been evangelizing faster Ethernet for a year or so now. In the years to come, we will slowly transition to faster Ethernet as 1 Gbps is getting out of fashion. There's a move coming though, Realtek will be releasing three new 2.5 Gbps Base-T Ethernet controllers.
While Quantia already offers up-to 10 Gbit/s solutions, steps are always small in the world of mainstream technology. And yeah, 2.5 Gbps in theory roughly 325 MB/sec in PHYs that is going to make its way into motherboards. Basically, in the initial launch wave, you're going to notice the RTL8125, RTL8156, and RTL8226. The RTL8125 is the chip to get and will be embedded onto motherboards and is based on a PCI-Express 2.0 x1 host (has 5 Gbps bandwidth, not to confuse with the 2.5 Gbps link).
The RTL8156 is designed for USB dongles over USB 3.1 gen 1 (5 Gbps) and then the RTL8226 is a chip that will end up in routers and switches. We think you'll see the new 2.5Gbps implementations real soon, even on some new Z390 motherboards. The standard is obviously backward compatible at 1 Gbps / 100 / 10. For 2.5 Gbps to work, obviously your network infrastructure will need to be updated as well, that means your switches. Cabling will be fine though, even CAT5e can easily reach 5 Gbps.
If you like to have a taste of what super-fast ethernet brings to the table, might I steer you to these two reviews I made (here),(here)?
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#5592649 Posted on: 10/05/2018 12:15 PM
Problems making it affordable, cable length, shielding, protocol.
LTT (Linus Tech Tips) covered a 100Gb/s connection (non-Ethernet), where devices could use other computer's resources more directly. Which isn't "current tech".
LTT itself is using 10Gb/s a lot, normal protocol.
Problems making it affordable, cable length, shielding, protocol.
LTT (Linus Tech Tips) covered a 100Gb/s connection (non-Ethernet), where devices could use other computer's resources more directly. Which isn't "current tech".
LTT itself is using 10Gb/s a lot, normal protocol.
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#5592660 Posted on: 10/05/2018 12:43 PM
I agree, Though for most people 1GB is still more than enough with most service providers still not even hitting those speeds, for me 1Gbps is enough and it could be for some time due to lack of competition between the service providers.
2.5, could be a nice alternative if the price is right, but i do agree we should make the next minimum standard 5Gbps, though i have no idea how long it would even take for internet service providers to reach this point, in the UK over a best part of half a decade i think the highest (non-business, so consumer) rate has gone from 200Mbps to 300 Mbps, Even if speeds over the next year jump 5x it still wouldn't be anywhere near the limit
2.5Gbps is very "meh". The jump from 100Mbit to 1Gbit was 10x increase. Should be looking at 5Gbps minimum as the next standard imo.
I agree, Though for most people 1GB is still more than enough with most service providers still not even hitting those speeds, for me 1Gbps is enough and it could be for some time due to lack of competition between the service providers.
2.5, could be a nice alternative if the price is right, but i do agree we should make the next minimum standard 5Gbps, though i have no idea how long it would even take for internet service providers to reach this point, in the UK over a best part of half a decade i think the highest (non-business, so consumer) rate has gone from 200Mbps to 300 Mbps, Even if speeds over the next year jump 5x it still wouldn't be anywhere near the limit
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#5592690 Posted on: 10/05/2018 02:22 PM
Only in 2018 service providers in Portugal started to offer 1Gb/s.
Some are cost prohibitive, others are really affordable, but unfortunately not widely available.
I'm currently at 100D/10U and paying 27.99€. I'd kill to switch company and have 100D/100U for 29.9€, but the service ends about 500 meters from my house!
As a reference, 1000D/200U costs 40.9€ at the same company I can't subscribe to, not expensive at all!
2.5Gbps sounds like a joke, but it will be good to have for those with 1Gb internet.
As someone said before, next standard should be 5 or 10 Gbps.
Only in 2018 service providers in Portugal started to offer 1Gb/s.
Some are cost prohibitive, others are really affordable, but unfortunately not widely available.
I'm currently at 100D/10U and paying 27.99€. I'd kill to switch company and have 100D/100U for 29.9€, but the service ends about 500 meters from my house!
As a reference, 1000D/200U costs 40.9€ at the same company I can't subscribe to, not expensive at all!
2.5Gbps sounds like a joke, but it will be good to have for those with 1Gb internet.
As someone said before, next standard should be 5 or 10 Gbps.
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#5592840 Posted on: 10/05/2018 08:19 PM
I know I'm a bit of an outlier here but uh... I don't really care about faster ethernet on mainstream boards, especially if it means keeping prices down. Could I take advantage of faster bandwidth? Sure, but whether I'm at work or at home, the speed isn't bad enough for me to really care. If I want all that extra speed, I'm willing to pay for a discrete NIC.
All that being said, any modern server or high-end workstation boards that come with anything slower than 4Gbps is a bit ridiculous, since they do actually warrant the need of all that bandwidth.
I know I'm a bit of an outlier here but uh... I don't really care about faster ethernet on mainstream boards, especially if it means keeping prices down. Could I take advantage of faster bandwidth? Sure, but whether I'm at work or at home, the speed isn't bad enough for me to really care. If I want all that extra speed, I'm willing to pay for a discrete NIC.
All that being said, any modern server or high-end workstation boards that come with anything slower than 4Gbps is a bit ridiculous, since they do actually warrant the need of all that bandwidth.
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#5592961 Posted on: 10/06/2018 04:04 AM
None of this means a thing if there aren't cheap switches to go with it. There's no indication that there's anything under $500 that's more than a 2-port trunk attached to a standard 1gbe switch coming anytime soon.
None of this means a thing if there aren't cheap switches to go with it. There's no indication that there's anything under $500 that's more than a 2-port trunk attached to a standard 1gbe switch coming anytime soon.
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#5593036 Posted on: 10/06/2018 10:14 AM
Not "Meh" at all.
The point of having wired Ethernet in the house is to transfer stuff to/from main computer towards secondaries (NAS, FileServer PC, Mom's PC, Dad's Laptop, etc.)
(Beside having a stable connection for gaming and such)
Today, even a basic cheapo HDD is faster than 1gbps (~95 MB/s), meaning the network is now the bottleneck in all possible conditions.
I'm quite sure all NAS users will be extremely happy to upgrade their network cards to something faster than 1gbps once prices are acceptable.
p.s.
And don't say "Wifi 6" because as soon as you move past to one single wall, wireless speeds drop into the stone age. The theoretical max speeds only work with direct line of sight between the antennas, and on short distances... basically in the same room.
+ spectrum congestion. Yuck.
Not "Meh" at all.
The point of having wired Ethernet in the house is to transfer stuff to/from main computer towards secondaries (NAS, FileServer PC, Mom's PC, Dad's Laptop, etc.)
(Beside having a stable connection for gaming and such)
Today, even a basic cheapo HDD is faster than 1gbps (~95 MB/s), meaning the network is now the bottleneck in all possible conditions.
I'm quite sure all NAS users will be extremely happy to upgrade their network cards to something faster than 1gbps once prices are acceptable.
p.s.
And don't say "Wifi 6" because as soon as you move past to one single wall, wireless speeds drop into the stone age. The theoretical max speeds only work with direct line of sight between the antennas, and on short distances... basically in the same room.
+ spectrum congestion. Yuck.
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#5593222 Posted on: 10/06/2018 09:32 PM
There's a disturbing amount of the misinformation here.
The standard is known as mGIG, and the whole point is you can hook up regular ethernet cable and it will negotiate up to as fast as it can support on that cable, so when hardware is replaced the new performance is basically free.
If you want to 10 gigs you can go on eBay and buy a mellanox connector for 60 bucks, switches are more expensive but I've seen them below $500. eBay is great for used server hardware, and the wattage is listed clearly online so you can see how many lightbulbs each piece would equate to.
LTT is also running behind the curve hardware, as 200GE is already in the Dual port Connect-X 6.
They are decent on home hardware but the more they try to play in the enterprise space the more obvious it is that the talent levels there are prosumer at best.
Which totally makes sense, there's no way they'd be able to afford an Enterprise Architect on YouTube money year after year.
There's a disturbing amount of the misinformation here.
The standard is known as mGIG, and the whole point is you can hook up regular ethernet cable and it will negotiate up to as fast as it can support on that cable, so when hardware is replaced the new performance is basically free.
If you want to 10 gigs you can go on eBay and buy a mellanox connector for 60 bucks, switches are more expensive but I've seen them below $500. eBay is great for used server hardware, and the wattage is listed clearly online so you can see how many lightbulbs each piece would equate to.
LTT is also running behind the curve hardware, as 200GE is already in the Dual port Connect-X 6.
They are decent on home hardware but the more they try to play in the enterprise space the more obvious it is that the talent levels there are prosumer at best.
Which totally makes sense, there's no way they'd be able to afford an Enterprise Architect on YouTube money year after year.
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#5593363 Posted on: 10/07/2018 07:16 AM
...As long as ISPs are on board! Sure, 'ALL HAIL FASTER SPEEDS' -- for an arm and a leg, of course.
...As long as ISPs are on board! Sure, 'ALL HAIL FASTER SPEEDS' -- for an arm and a leg, of course.
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#5593397 Posted on: 10/07/2018 09:48 AM
I really only need one or two lanes of my 100 lane highway but now it becomes 250 lanes (probably a terrible simile). I dream of the day I could saturate just my 1gb connection with web traffic. But I live on a mountain just west of nowhere. It's still nice to see progress at the consumer level.
I really only need one or two lanes of my 100 lane highway but now it becomes 250 lanes (probably a terrible simile). I dream of the day I could saturate just my 1gb connection with web traffic. But I live on a mountain just west of nowhere. It's still nice to see progress at the consumer level.
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#5593441 Posted on: 10/07/2018 01:03 PM
There's a disturbing amount of the misinformation here.
The standard is known as mGIG, and the whole point is you can hook up regular ethernet cable and it will negotiate up to as fast as it can support on that cable, so when hardware is replaced the new performance is basically free.
If you want to 10 gigs you can go on eBay and buy a mellanox connector for 60 bucks, switches are more expensive but I've seen them below $500. eBay is great for used server hardware, and the wattage is listed clearly online so you can see how many lightbulbs each piece would equate to.
LTT is also running behind the curve hardware, as 200GE is already in the Dual port Connect-X 6.
They are decent on home hardware but the more they try to play in the enterprise space the more obvious it is that the talent levels there are prosumer at best.
Which totally makes sense, there's no way they'd be able to afford an Enterprise Architect on YouTube money year after year.
To be fair, the only use I can see atm for small businesses or as a consumer is internal data traffic. Anyone working with a lot of big data (usually video if you're a regular consumer or small business) over his internal network can get some usage out of this.
There's a disturbing amount of the misinformation here.
The standard is known as mGIG, and the whole point is you can hook up regular ethernet cable and it will negotiate up to as fast as it can support on that cable, so when hardware is replaced the new performance is basically free.
If you want to 10 gigs you can go on eBay and buy a mellanox connector for 60 bucks, switches are more expensive but I've seen them below $500. eBay is great for used server hardware, and the wattage is listed clearly online so you can see how many lightbulbs each piece would equate to.
LTT is also running behind the curve hardware, as 200GE is already in the Dual port Connect-X 6.
They are decent on home hardware but the more they try to play in the enterprise space the more obvious it is that the talent levels there are prosumer at best.
Which totally makes sense, there's no way they'd be able to afford an Enterprise Architect on YouTube money year after year.
To be fair, the only use I can see atm for small businesses or as a consumer is internal data traffic. Anyone working with a lot of big data (usually video if you're a regular consumer or small business) over his internal network can get some usage out of this.
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#5593482 Posted on: 10/07/2018 03:52 PM
Some YouTubers make quite a large sum of money. Depends a lot on the number of subscribers to the channel and the number of views per video where ads are shown. Some YouTubers are reportedly making $1M USD and beyond.
Which totally makes sense, there's no way they'd be able to afford an Enterprise Architect on YouTube money year after year.
Some YouTubers make quite a large sum of money. Depends a lot on the number of subscribers to the channel and the number of views per video where ads are shown. Some YouTubers are reportedly making $1M USD and beyond.
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#5593497 Posted on: 10/07/2018 04:54 PM
LinusTechTips has an entire crew, server room, etc. So yeah it does make sense for some.
But for solo, one man streamers, the base use to me just seems a NAS with lots of storage and a 2.5 Gbit connection for fast transfers.
LinusTechTips has an entire crew, server room, etc. So yeah it does make sense for some.
But for solo, one man streamers, the base use to me just seems a NAS with lots of storage and a 2.5 Gbit connection for fast transfers.
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#5593910 Posted on: 10/08/2018 06:08 PM
LinusTechTips has an entire crew, server room, etc. So yeah it does make sense for some.
But for solo, one man streamers, the base use to me just seems a NAS with lots of storage and a 2.5 Gbit connection for fast transfers.
For solo one man streamers, trunking gig ports is better anyway - it prevents your streams from stepping on one another. You only need fast connections for single stream transfers, for everything else a trunk is better because it lowers latency. It's also a LOT cheaper, you can get 8-port smart switches for under $100 (you can get a Trend one on Newegg for under $50 right now) that will let you trunk multiple gig connections, and a lot of mid-range routers let you do it out of the box now too.
LinusTechTips has an entire crew, server room, etc. So yeah it does make sense for some.
But for solo, one man streamers, the base use to me just seems a NAS with lots of storage and a 2.5 Gbit connection for fast transfers.
For solo one man streamers, trunking gig ports is better anyway - it prevents your streams from stepping on one another. You only need fast connections for single stream transfers, for everything else a trunk is better because it lowers latency. It's also a LOT cheaper, you can get 8-port smart switches for under $100 (you can get a Trend one on Newegg for under $50 right now) that will let you trunk multiple gig connections, and a lot of mid-range routers let you do it out of the box now too.
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#5594461 Posted on: 10/09/2018 08:12 PM
I don't see many 2.5 gbps switches about, if you have to spend the money on 10 gig base-t switch, might as well spend the extra cash on the Aquantia AQC107 Ethernet card
I don't see many 2.5 gbps switches about, if you have to spend the money on 10 gig base-t switch, might as well spend the extra cash on the Aquantia AQC107 Ethernet card
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2.5Gbps is very "meh". The jump from 100Mbit to 1Gbit was 10x increase. Should be looking at 5Gbps minimum as the next standard imo.