#5507344 Posted on: 01/04/2018 08:10 PM

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aww you beat me to it......lol

#5507364 Posted on: 01/04/2018 08:54 PM

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Does what it says, nothing really noteworthy in the .INF or the .BLB after comparing with 17.12.2 but it's good to see this fixed although I'll wait for the next driver since this is still a work in progress.

17.50.07.02 instead of 17.50.07.01 for the driver version and from January 4th.

And the driver .dll is .2002 instead of 23.20.15007.1005

#5507365 Posted on: 01/04/2018 08:54 PM

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So far so good here. No memory leak or whatever. So there's that at least, for those that want to go ahead. Win7SP1x64:

#5507371 Posted on: 01/04/2018 09:10 PM

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Do we ever had an Alpha version of any driver before?

#5507380 Posted on: 01/04/2018 09:38 PM

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Yes, there were few drivers labeled as "alpha", even in time of ATI and now under AMD brand.

#5507386 Posted on: 01/04/2018 09:51 PM

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As always, thanks for the update, but my trust for AMD has reached a new low.

#5507402 Posted on: 01/04/2018 10:26 PM

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Just checked and i can confirm:
the witcher 1 was crashing on startup on 17.12.2 and is not crashing anymore with 18.1.1. Done normal install (not clean install) and haven't restarted windows after installation.

#5507403 Posted on: 01/04/2018 10:31 PM

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Glad to see that preasure works. I hope that guy who said that they would not fix it, has been fired.

#5507407 Posted on: 01/04/2018 11:00 PM

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Really, I'd much rather see the Internet people who shot off their mouths long before engaging their brains fired--or banned--whichever the case may be. Once the story reached the usual epidemic proportions of stupid on the 'net, sites like G3D (HH) just about *have* to say something--but the mindless, brainless panic wasn't his fault even slightly. Lots of noise about nothing--typical of the Internet today, sadly. This was a simple driver bug, found and fixed. End of story. For the umpteenth time, Ray_M is a PR guy who handles general questions on the self-help AMD driver forums. He doesn't write the drivers himself--he has no direct control over anything. He may talk to them once and awhile and that is basically it. It's over and the people who thought AMD was jumping off the deep end have been decisively proven wrong (again.) Can't imagine getting all worked up about a simple driver bug. Sheeesh. What a boring New Year's some people must have had...

#5507412 Posted on: 01/04/2018 11:20 PM

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I feel quite the opposite with the current dev crew.

#5507418 Posted on: 01/04/2018 11:45 PM

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So some of you did really like and accept Ray's attitude. OK. We got the support we deserve I suppose. Until the next broken feature.

#5507442 Posted on: 01/05/2018 01:32 AM

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You Only Live Once

#5507456 Posted on: 01/05/2018 02:36 AM

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Even if it would be better that the problem never happened, it's an improvement to see a quick fix. This is good news when some problems end up being forgotten until a new major release at the end of the year.
Regarding Ray's attitude, yeah, it's the sort of stuff that can hurt brand loyalty. On the latest Steam sale, the only game I've bought was a DX9 classic, and more content for R3E, which still runs in DX9 (fortunately not affected).

#5507479 Posted on: 01/05/2018 04:16 AM

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Everyone has to try to justify throwing a big shit fit about it. Because it wouldn't have gotten fixed if it weren't for them right? /s

#5507486 Posted on: 01/05/2018 04:45 AM

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Wait, there are still people who think this "new feature" would have fixed without all the backlash and the story being reported all over the internet?

#5507489 Posted on: 01/05/2018 05:02 AM

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I'm not saying it wouldn't have been fixed. But there is little doubt, that all the backlash made it happen a lot faster.

#5507493 Posted on: 01/05/2018 05:18 AM

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I think it was due to someone on the amd forums.. or was it reddit? saying that because the games were old, resources would not be put towards fixing the issue, which then created outrage because the games worked fine in the previous driver.

#5507506 Posted on: 01/05/2018 07:29 AM

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shouldnt have people making drivers that dont have the heart for all gaming....

#5507511 Posted on: 01/05/2018 08:00 AM

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I don't agree your statement at all. Here's why.

If you're to ask someone help for driver issues as a AMD product consumer, whom should you ask/resort to:

AMD's Driver reporting form (which never yielded anything in more or less 15ish years that I have been familiar with and have owned ATi/AMD's products)
AMD's official community or

A guy on Twitter who happens to work for AMD's driver team, a person with whom only a handful people are familiar with and is someone who isn't likely to respond to your tweet anyways because he isn't obligated to?

I think the choice is obvious, this self-help AMD driver forums where AMD's PR handles general questions. And regardless whether this PR(s) write the drivers himself or he has direct control/no control over anything, he is the one who is representing AMD, and is entrusted with getting the message over to the Driver team, regardless of the communication being frequent or every once in awhile. Surely he isn't the one who gets to pick and choose which bugs that AMD's supposed to fix, and which ones to simply ignore/discard? He clearly consults with his superiors, and then gets back to us, correct?

I for one didn't doubt for a moment that AMD is going to fix the issues, but I did hesitate and questioned myself, can they be that stupid to respond to an issue the way it came out through ray_m?

The answer is, yes.

AMD's PR has a wonderful track record of misleading and flat out lying to consumers as I have written in another post.

If what you're referring to the whole incident as "the story reached the usual epidemic proportions of stupid" then you're clearly delusional, because that is how AMD's support works. If the shit doesn't hit the fan, they don't react. Being the overly devoted fan of a certain manufacturer.. fuck it I'll call a spade a spade, Fanboism (a word which is synonymous to blind as well is what I feel) is just bad for the industry. Fanboys are stupid, and will let their beloved manufacturer get away with murder if it actually ever comes to that. It's just as bad as the people who started saying that AMD should move on and must not bother with DX9 support, and equally as bad as those who wrote teary-eyed posts like "we love you nvidia and we don't have any issues with you giving us 3.5 out of 4."

Some people indeed are having a boring new year, because they bought games off Steam sale, only to find that they don't run at all with their spanking new Adrenalin suite, then went to ask for support, and had the door slammed right in their faces.

As consumers, it's our duty to actually watch each other's back. If some of us have a legitimate issue on our hands, do your level best to extract the support out of AMD to have things resolved, even if you're not affected by it. It should not be the other way around and where you look for ways to justify leaving them high and dry.

Do this instead of chasing people away with saying stuff like "Your card is too old, you don't deserve support" or "Direct EX 9?? Seriously, Deus EX ManKind Divided is DEE EX 12, GTFO" or "don't like it, go buy nvidia" and I assure you, the GPU market will have even competition, which it desperately is in need of.

And I can't get this quote out of my head for some reason, so I'll use it as a closure.

#5507543 Posted on: 01/05/2018 10:44 AM

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I don't agree your statement at all. Here's why.

If you're to ask someone help for driver issues as a AMD product consumer, whom should you ask/resort to:

AMD's Driver reporting form (which never yielded anything in more or less 15ish years that I have been familiar with and have owned ATi/AMD's products)
AMD's official community or

A guy on Twitter who happens to work for AMD's driver team, a person with whom only a handful people are familiar with and is someone who isn't likely to respond to your tweet anyways because he isn't obligated to?

I think the choice is obvious, this self-help AMD driver forums where AMD's PR handles general questions. And regardless whether this PR(s) write the drivers himself or he has direct control/no control over anything, he is the one who is representing AMD, and is entrusted with getting the message over to the Driver team, regardless of the communication being frequent or every once in awhile. Surely he isn't the one who gets to pick and choose which bugs that AMD's supposed to fix, and which ones to simply ignore/discard? He clearly consults with his superiors, and then gets back to us, correct?

I for one didn't doubt for a moment that AMD is going to fix the issues, but I did hesitate and questioned myself, can they be that stupid to respond to an issue the way it came out through ray_m?

The answer is, yes.

AMD's PR has a wonderful track record of misleading and flat out lying to consumers as I have written in another post.

If what you're referring to the whole incident as "the story reached the usual epidemic proportions of stupid" then you're clearly delusional, because that is how AMD's support works. If the crap doesn't hit the fan, they don't react. Being the overly devoted fan of a certain manufacturer.. frack it I'll call a spade a spade, Fanboism (a word which is synonymous to blind as well is what I feel) is just bad for the industry. Fanboys are stupid, and will let their beloved manufacturer get away with murder if it actually ever comes to that. It's just as bad as the people who started saying that AMD should move on and must not bother with DX9 support, and equally as bad as those who wrote teary-eyed posts like "we love you nvidia and we don't have any issues with you giving us 3.5 out of 4."

Some people indeed are having a boring new year, because they bought games off Steam sale, only to find that they don't run at all with their spanking new Adrenalin suite, then went to ask for support, and had the door slammed right in their faces.

As consumers, it's our duty to actually watch each other's back. If some of us have a legitimate issue on our hands, do your level best to extract the support out of AMD to have things resolved, even if you're not affected by it. It should not be the other way around and where you look for ways to justify leaving them high and dry.

Do this instead of chasing people away with saying stuff like "Your card is too old, you don't deserve support" or "Direct EX 9?? Seriously, Deus EX ManKind Divided is DEE EX 12, GTFO" or "don't like it, go buy nvidia" and I assure you, the GPU market will have even competition, which it desperately is in need of.

And I can't get this quote out of my head for some reason, so I'll use it as a closure.
I'd take the last quote down. It looks like you're taking the piss because of his accent. That is not cool, and is in fact Racist.

I suspect it would have been fixed quickly anyway. Its not like Skyrim or Oblivion are "unloved". I still play Oblivion from time to time, and in fact prefer it to Skyrim.
The AMD PR guy just whacked the Hornet's nest with his reply, which quite rightly had the entire internet up in arms.

Happy to hear it should all be over though

#5507546 Posted on: 01/05/2018 10:57 AM

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I don't have the slightest bit of racism in mind when I quoted him, as him and I are pretty much from neighboring origins. It's a reference to what he said regarding VEGA Frontier Edition. Steve Burke did it better:

#5507554 Posted on: 01/05/2018 11:35 AM

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I don't have the slightest bit of racism in mind when I quoted him, as him and I are pretty much from neighboring origins. It's a reference to what he said regarding VEGA Frontier Edition. Steve Burke did it better:




It's possessed it says on the video. ROFL. Hahahahaha!

#5507562 Posted on: 01/05/2018 12:00 PM

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despite the media portrayal , amd did not put out an Offical statement saying that they weren't going to fix it

it was ray_m of the amd community support forum
despite his title of "Technical Support Engineer 2"
his unhelpful dismissive response to the question about broken dx9 games is typical of many of his answers that also contain similar errors in judgement.

nothing against ray_m he seems to do an ok job answering most questions, but when he gets a more advanced question, his responses are... lacking, to say the least.

they should really give him some better guidelines for answering questions.

He represents amd about as much as a tech on the phone helping you install office 98 represents microsoft.

#5507569 Posted on: 01/05/2018 12:35 PM

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Something else worth to mention about these other then pong works again?

#5507600 Posted on: 01/05/2018 02:24 PM

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What kind of question is that? AMD fixes broken games upon launch all the time, based solely on my posts. In addition, they always fix it by next driver release and for the times the window is too small, surely next release after that.