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Tech preview: Intel Core i9 Skylake-X processors
Intel Core X series processor family and X299 chipset Announced at Computex May 30th
It looks like Intel is pushing forward their X299 Chipset release with alongside it Core X processors. The announcement would be May 30th with availability June 26th opposed to a release in August.
The X299 chipset will be compatible with Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X Intel Core X series processors. Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X, will include 12, 10, 8, 6 and 4 core products. That 12-core version is a new one and seems to be a bit of a panic reaction from Intel towards AMD who might be releasing 12 and 16 core parts.
| Kaby Lake | Broadwell-E | Kaby Lake-X | Skylake-X | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| CPU cores | 4 | 6, 8, 10 | 4 | 6, 8, 10, 12 |
| Cache | 8MB | Up to 25MB | 8MB | 13.75MB |
| PCIe support | PCIe 3.0 (16 lanes) | PCIe 3.0 (40/28 lanes) | PCIe 3.0 (16 lanes) | PCIe 3.0 (44/28 lanes) |
| Integrated graphics | Yes | No | No | No |
| TDP | 95W | 140W | 112W | 140W |
| Socket | LGA 1151 | LGA 2011-v3 | LGA 2066 | LGA 2066 |
| Chipset | KBL PCH-H | X99 | KBL PCH-X | KBL PCH-X |
| Memory support | Dual-channel DDR4 | Quad-channel DDR4 | Dual-channel DDR4 | Quad-channel DDR4 |
The X299 will bring quad-channel DDR4 support to compatible 14nm processors and 40 PCIe 3.0 lanes with Skylake-X procs. Kaby Lake-X procs will support dual-channel DDR4 and 24 PCIe 3.0 Lanes. Before you ask, why release both Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X at the same time and what is the difference? Well, Skylake-X thus can offer 12, 10, 8 and 6 core processors, the other (Kaby lake-X) remains to be a quad-core part. Skylake-X are the extreme edition like the 6950X series currently on Skylake-X. These processors will get a 140 Watt TDP, the quad-core Kaby Lake-X is rumored to be a 112 Watt part.
Since the processors once again will need a new socket, LGA 2066t hat means that once again you have to purchase a new motherboard. There is a rumor right now that Intel is tweaking the cache sizes to increase performance. The new platform thus also offers support for Intel Optane and quad channel DDR4-2667 MHz memory.
Thanks to SH SOTN for the news-submit
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#5423073 Posted on: 04/21/2017 03:07 PM
Do we have an ETA for the 12- and 16-core Ryzen CPUs?
Do we have an ETA for the 12- and 16-core Ryzen CPUs?
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#5423074 Posted on: 04/21/2017 03:07 PM
Panic reaction? Please, they don't just produce a new 12-core die within a few weeks/months out of "panic", this takes planning for years.
What I'm more interested in are the rumors about Coffee Lake 6 cores coming this summer already on the 370 platform.
Panic reaction? Please, they don't just produce a new 12-core die within a few weeks/months out of "panic", this takes planning for years.
What I'm more interested in are the rumors about Coffee Lake 6 cores coming this summer already on the 370 platform.
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#5423075 Posted on: 04/21/2017 03:08 PM
Can you imagine the price on that thing? 
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#5423078 Posted on: 04/21/2017 03:15 PM
This CPU/Chipset series was originally planned for the Q4 Christmas 2017 season. Ryzen launched and it already got moved to August. Rumors of 12/16 core Ryzen parts appeared and all of the sudden Intel makes a move to Computex and invested reportedly spent over US$100 million to accelerate its pace of manufacturing.
Yes panic reaction, these parts might have been designed ready, but where not ready for fabbing this soon already.
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Panic reaction? Please, they don't just produce a new 12-core die within a few weeks/months out of "panic", this takes planning for years.
What I'm more interested in are the rumors about Coffee Lake 6 cores coming this summer already on the 370 platform. |
Yes panic reaction, these parts might have been designed ready, but where not ready for fabbing this soon already.
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#5423083 Posted on: 04/21/2017 03:21 PM
Well the 10-core Core i7-6950X is like 1825 bucks. So for the 12 core part that is 182.5 x 12 = 2190 Euro. Lets call it an even 2K CPU.
The Ryzen 7 8-core 1800X is like 525 Euro is 66 Euro per core. So their 12-core part would cost just under 800 bucks.
With Ryzen available, honestly I cannot see them increasing prices at all and they might even be lowering their pricing structure, like they have to.
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Can you imagine the price on that thing?
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The Ryzen 7 8-core 1800X is like 525 Euro is 66 Euro per core. So their 12-core part would cost just under 800 bucks.
With Ryzen available, honestly I cannot see them increasing prices at all and they might even be lowering their pricing structure, like they have to.
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#5423084 Posted on: 04/21/2017 03:22 PM
Oh crap I just finished building my new system. Oh well here we go again!
Oh crap I just finished building my new system. Oh well here we go again!
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#5423086 Posted on: 04/21/2017 03:27 PM
I would hope they lower the prices. They really have to or they will not sell this new HEDT platform to anyone but their devoted fanbois.
That said if the entry level 8 core product comes in around r7 1800x price they could be viable options.
How I would price these.
7740k (KLX) 16 lanes 4.2-4.5 $280
7800k 6/12 28 lanes 3.8-4.0 $350
7850k 6/12 44 lanes 3.8-4.1 $415
7900k 8/16 44 lanes 3.7-3.9 $550
7950k 10/20 44 lanes 3.6-3.9 $800
7990k 12/24 44 lanes 3.5-3.9 $1200
This is not based on any facts just my fantasy.
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Well the 10-core Core i7-6950X is like 1825 bucks. So for the 12 core part that is 182.5 x 12 = 2190 Euro. Lets call it an even 2K CPU.
The Ryzen 7 8-core 1800X is like 525 Euro is 66 Euro per core. So their 12-core part would cost just under 800 bucks. With Ryzen available, honestly I cannot see them increasing prices at all and they might even be lowering their pricing structure, like they have to. |
That said if the entry level 8 core product comes in around r7 1800x price they could be viable options.
How I would price these.
7740k (KLX) 16 lanes 4.2-4.5 $280
7800k 6/12 28 lanes 3.8-4.0 $350
7850k 6/12 44 lanes 3.8-4.1 $415
7900k 8/16 44 lanes 3.7-3.9 $550
7950k 10/20 44 lanes 3.6-3.9 $800
7990k 12/24 44 lanes 3.5-3.9 $1200
This is not based on any facts just my fantasy.
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#5423090 Posted on: 04/21/2017 03:29 PM
The release date is panic not the chip itself, this thing was made to come in 4 months not two and this give merit to the amd x399 hedt platform.. it will be fun
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Panic reaction? Please, they don't just produce a new 12-core die within a few weeks/months out of "panic", this takes planning for years.
What I'm more interested in are the rumors about Coffee Lake 6 cores coming this summer already on the 370 platform. |
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#5423092 Posted on: 04/21/2017 03:37 PM
I see very few people buying a 12 core at an even greater price than their current top of the range 10 core chip.
As long as AMD can match the features such as quad channel etc, Intel will have to keep responding.
Great news for us consumers in the long run, but for right now anything you buy might be surpassed far quicker than normal.
I see very few people buying a 12 core at an even greater price than their current top of the range 10 core chip.
As long as AMD can match the features such as quad channel etc, Intel will have to keep responding.
Great news for us consumers in the long run, but for right now anything you buy might be surpassed far quicker than normal.
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#5423093 Posted on: 04/21/2017 03:40 PM
This^^ Intel´s high end pricing structure was broken by Ryzen and the only way to change the situation is lower the prices of their cpus to reasonable terms. I wonder if Intel still remembers what reasonable prices look like...
In my opinion Intel would be better cutting the prices of their current high end cpus than releasing newer ones but that´s me.
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I would hope they lower the prices. They really have to or they will not sell this new HEDT platform to anyone but their devoted fanbois.
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In my opinion Intel would be better cutting the prices of their current high end cpus than releasing newer ones but that´s me.
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#5423095 Posted on: 04/21/2017 03:42 PM
The question is:
Who will buy this Skylake-X(or X299) when CoffeLake(and 300 series chipset),or whatever name will be,will coming Soon.
Indeed panic and Milking the market is already usual at Intel.
Hey Intel board: Fire that old fart CEO and put someone with vision of future.Dammit
The question is:
Who will buy this Skylake-X(or X299) when CoffeLake(and 300 series chipset),or whatever name will be,will coming Soon.
Indeed panic and Milking the market is already usual at Intel.
Hey Intel board: Fire that old fart CEO and put someone with vision of future.Dammit
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#5423103 Posted on: 04/21/2017 03:55 PM
The same people that bought X99? The same people that bought Ryzen?
It's arguably easier to do with CPU's because generation -> generation changes are like nothing. Like look at the list of coffeelake enhancements. I don't care about any of those.
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The question is:
Who will buy this Skylake-X(or X299) when CoffeLake(and 300 series chipset),or whatever name will be,will coming Soon. Indeed panic and Milking the market is already usual at Intel. Hey Intel board: Fire that old fart CEO and put someone with vision of future.Dammit |
It's arguably easier to do with CPU's because generation -> generation changes are like nothing. Like look at the list of coffeelake enhancements. I don't care about any of those.
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#5423106 Posted on: 04/21/2017 04:02 PM
If the x399 from amd comes at the same time and it has 64 pci-e lanes, prftt i am switching to amd hedt with a 12 core day one
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The same people that bought X99? The same people that bought Ryzen?
It's arguably easier to do with CPU's because generation -> generation changes are like nothing. Like look at the list of coffeelake enhancements. I don't care about any of those. |
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#5423113 Posted on: 04/21/2017 04:10 PM
Need to sell my 5960X sooner than I thought! Need that 12 core and that 4 core
Need to sell my 5960X sooner than I thought! Need that 12 core and that 4 core
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12 core extreme....