Your epeen must be huge lol Edit: Triggered! 😛:D

nizzen:

I tried with auto volt and 50mp on cache to see how much watt the game is drawing with way too much volt. Looks like it's possibel to draw high wattage on this cpu. 😀 No too bad temperature. Wonder if 7 7800x3d is beating 13900k with FAST ddr5 in Battlefield 2042? Haven't seen any with higher fps in game... FPS to beat: Good luck 😉 https://www.overclock.net/attachments/20230308_182159-jpg.2604657/

So nearly 200w in actual usage... and that's my point exactly. The 7800x3d will have power usage similar to the 7700x (slightly below), so less than half of that.

13700K 5.2GHz AC 1.25V is ~120W in ~most demanding titles while being fully CPU bound: https://abload.de/thumb/milesmorales_2023_03_rgi7s.png It surely is not great vs. Zen 4D, but it's not much of an issue either.

Dragam1337:

So nearly 200w in actual usage... and that's my point exactly. The 7800x3d will have power usage similar to the 7700x (slightly below), so less than half of that.

I can't wait to see the powerdraw of 7800x3d in 2042 pushing 360fps. 🙂 PS: There is no point comparing the powerdraw if the fps is like 220fps....

-Tj-:

Your epeen must be huge lol

Why are you on a enthusiast forums? Just to write stupid commends? Your epeen must be very thin and very short 😉

this will be more helpful than any indivudially picked result those are computerbase.de individual results + averages https://imgur.com/a/czVFfwt intel's 13 gen i9 series cpu comes close to 7950x, 13700K is same as 7900x. 13600k is acceptable,but still close to 100w. 12600k is what I'd call very power efficient, 7600x needs only 66w on average. no x3d in the charts buy you know how 7800x3d would do if 7700x already does excellent.

cucaulay malkin:

this will be more helpful than any indivudially picked result

Thing is default-configured voltages are just insane. Same is true for AMD CPUs, but 3D cache already helps a lot with consumption. I don't see why enthusiasts should care much about @stock results when situation can be improved dramatically without much hassle.

cucaulay malkin:

this will be more helpful than any indivudially picked result those are computerbase.de individual results + averages https://imgur.com/a/czVFfwt intel's 13 gen i9 series cpu comes close to 7950x, 13700K is same as 7900x. 13600k is acceptable,but still close to 100w. 12600k is what I'd call very power efficient, 7600x needs only 66w on average. no x3d in the charts buy you know how 7800x3d would do if 7700x already does excellent.

I can't see the watt per fps?

nizzen:

Playing BF 2042, and cpu is drawing like 120w, and gpu is drawing 450w (4090). Cpu is 48-53c while gaming. What is actual stupid?

The stupid part in this context is you spent a lot extra on a CPU that clearly isn't being worked that hard. If you actually take advantage of its potential, you wouldn't be quoting power draw like it's no big deal. The 13900K doesn't top gaming charts yet has a notably higher power draw than a 7900X3D (I'm using that as an example since it is comparable in price), so, it starts to not look like such a great option anymore. The irony is, the 13900K is a clearly better performer than the 7900X3D is in productivity workloads [in Windows], yet you dismiss Cinebench (a test where the 13900K does better). Granted, the 13900K's power draw skyrockets once you start pushing all those cores. Factor in the KS and the situation looks even less favorable for Intel. So let's put things in a different perspective - you want to get a sports car. You have 2 choices: Car A puts 500KW to the wheels and consumes 4.25kmpl. Car B puts 400KW to the wheels and consumes 7kmpl. Both cost the same. In most situations, both can accelerate fast enough to trigger traction control. Both have a similar driving experience in normal city roads. Car B is ever so slightly faster around most (but not all) circuit race tracks, car A is reliably faster in a straight line. Car A can sometimes perform better in more circuits with more expensive fuel. Which do you think is the smarter choice for a sports car? Even if the race track(s) you have access to are the ones where A is faster, is it actually still worth the additional fuel cost?

schmidtbag:

Factor in the KS and the situation looks even less favorable for Intel.

well, it does look like that through red glasses. factor in 13600KF/13700KF + platform cost and ddr5 oc headroom on 12/13 gen and amd is beaten for price/perf easily. 7900x3d costs as much as 13700KF ($350) a decent z790 board ($200) and there's still $50 difference. https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2023/03/AMD-Ryzen-9-7950X3D-Performance-Zusammenfassung.png

tty8k:

Yes, for us Europeans that spend 4 grand on a gaming box every 2 years, then we worry about another 100quid per year difference in power consumption. Give me a break. It's good to see that the max power consumption is lower which makes it a more efficient chip overall, but for gaming it's not a big deal.

4 grand every 2 years? I must be doing something right spending that every 12 years maybe, if i even reach that.

This 'conversation' about power draw is interesting to read. Thank god I'm a 60fps pleb, I always limit them via msi afterburner, my cpu power draw hovering aroud ±20w when gaming lol.

nizzen:

Have had 7800x3d+ performance since October with 13900k and 8400c34 ddr5. Nice with 20-40w lower powerdraw in games. "750w vs 720w" powerdraw from the wall is like whatever 😛

Yes but I can get 13900k+ gaming performance with a 6 years old aircooler, 6000 memory and a ITX board when buying a 7800x3d. No need for CPU mounting frames or direct die kits for better temps and less warp of the CPU, no need for highend motherboard to reach 8000 mem speeds, no need for memory fan, no need for silicon luck on the memory controller to reach 8400 memory.

Ivrogne:

This 'conversation' about power draw is interesting to read. Thank god I'm a 60fps pleb, I always limit them via msi afterburner, my cpu power draw hovering aroud ±20w when gaming lol.

I'm the opposite :x MOAR FRAMES!!!

wow this thread has gotten off track... in any case, i was all set to go w/ the 7900X3D to have a little more + in productivity. but this is going to be my main gaming rig for the next three years so i think i can both save money and upgrade to a platinum psu by going to the 7800X3D. this will be my first mass market cpu in years, but like the 5800X3D it looks to hold up like the Intel Q6600 so what a great value.

I'm still not pulling the trigger until I see what Intel brings with Meteor Lake, but if ML is disappointing then yes, this will likely be my upgrade path.

mackintosh:

I'm still not pulling the trigger until I see what Intel brings with Meteor Lake, but if ML is disappointing then yes, this will likely be my upgrade path.

Unless intel works some magic with cache, they might have trouble beating the 7800x3d at gaming. On a side note competition is amazing!. On a further side note....reading the comments on this thread is like reading videocardz comments :S

nizzen:

I tried with auto volt and 50mp on cache to see how much watt the game is drawing with way too much volt. Looks like it's possibel to draw high wattage on this cpu. 😀 No too bad temperature. Wonder if 7 7800x3d is beating 13900k with FAST ddr5 in Battlefield 2042? Haven't seen any with higher fps in game... FPS to beat: Good luck 😉 https://www.overclock.net/attachments/20230308_182159-jpg.2604657/

Fast DDR5 with a 7800x3D wont help as much as you might think. The extra cache already does much of the legwork very fast ram would give, even using slow ram. Whats left to improve with very fast ram isnt so much. This was demonstrated with the 5800x3D.

And it also outperforms the mighty 7950X3D??? If 7800X3D will be the best selling CPU then 7950X3D will be the worst Intel move that AMD pulled since quite some time... P.S. - I love the fact that AMD is making these performance benchmarks using Nvidia video cards:D