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Vishera the last of AMD FX CPUs: Roadmap Shows
It seems that the FX processors from AMD have been the last generation of real 'pure' CPUs from them. AMD FX "Vishera" is the last line of CPUs from AMD according to a radmap. It makes the most sense to focus on APUs for AMD, and let's be honest here, Intel is doing the same ever since Sandy Bridge with embedded IGPs.
The AMD roadmap leaked onto the web by ProHardver.hu and shows that socket AM3+ "Vishera" will exist on AMD's product for a while longer into the year 2015 with no real data / plan (just look at the roadmap). 2015 will see the introduction of "Carrizo," an APU that succeeds "Kaveri," which will be based on future-generation "Excavator" CPU micro-architecture, and a future-generation GPU architecture, along with full HSA programming model implementation.
"Kabini" will be released soon and mid-2014 "Beema" will follow it up. The APUs are looking good alright.
Have a peek at the roadmap.
Low Cost AMD Quad-Core FX Vishera processor released - 01/30/2013 08:40 AM
This week AMD introduced a new quad-core AMD FX-series central processing unit with code-named Vishera core and Piledriver micro-architecture. The new chip is a tad faster than its predecessors in th...
MSI AM3+ Vishera AMD FX Processors Ready Motherboards - 10/24/2012 06:15 AM
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AMD Vishera FX-series CPU gets pricetag - 09/22/2012 06:37 AM
Pricing of AMD's upcoming Piledriver-based "Vishera" FX-series processors have hit the web. These prices aren't official though, they are the pre-order prices from a store named BLT.
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#4716761 Posted on: 12/04/2013 10:21 AM
never mind DDR4, I want shared GDDR5 like the ps4.
Also, its just a picture from who knows where. Maybe they're planning something awesome for FX and keeping it under wraps. As amazing as their APUs are, I hope they keep up their CPU only chips. If I'm building a gaming PC, I don't want an IGP. It just seems like a waste... On the other hand, AMD said they could offload a lot of stuff to an IGP from a dedicated GPU with Mantle. So if this is true about the FX line, then Mantle better take off in a big way.
never mind DDR4, I want shared GDDR5 like the ps4.
Also, its just a picture from who knows where. Maybe they're planning something awesome for FX and keeping it under wraps. As amazing as their APUs are, I hope they keep up their CPU only chips. If I'm building a gaming PC, I don't want an IGP. It just seems like a waste... On the other hand, AMD said they could offload a lot of stuff to an IGP from a dedicated GPU with Mantle. So if this is true about the FX line, then Mantle better take off in a big way.
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#4716765 Posted on: 12/04/2013 10:24 AM
What wasn't mentioned is that an 8350 downclocked to 2.0ghz was gpu bound on Mantle-based applications at the recent show. Unless AMD announces that they will stop producing the 8350, let's assume that since it's an incredibly superior processor compared to 'next gen' processors in consoles, they plainly don't need to bother with making a better cpu. They have absolutely no need to improve on their cpu's, the 8350 is massively popular and with Mantle nothing more is needed. Hell, overclocked for me to 4.8 it runs several games on par with a 4770k (without Mantle). Gaming is going Mantle with AMD. The PS4 and Xbone have 8-thread AMD processors waaaay down clocked, the only thing that makes sense now is to lower prices on PC hardware.
You will eventually be able to buy an 8350 for 50-100 US, or a Mantle supported GCN powered APU. Game over Intel
Games from now on are designed for AMD's multi-threaded design. Hahahaha! What an incredibly fast victory
What wasn't mentioned is that an 8350 downclocked to 2.0ghz was gpu bound on Mantle-based applications at the recent show. Unless AMD announces that they will stop producing the 8350, let's assume that since it's an incredibly superior processor compared to 'next gen' processors in consoles, they plainly don't need to bother with making a better cpu. They have absolutely no need to improve on their cpu's, the 8350 is massively popular and with Mantle nothing more is needed. Hell, overclocked for me to 4.8 it runs several games on par with a 4770k (without Mantle). Gaming is going Mantle with AMD. The PS4 and Xbone have 8-thread AMD processors waaaay down clocked, the only thing that makes sense now is to lower prices on PC hardware.
You will eventually be able to buy an 8350 for 50-100 US, or a Mantle supported GCN powered APU. Game over Intel
Games from now on are designed for AMD's multi-threaded design. Hahahaha! What an incredibly fast victory
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#4716768 Posted on: 12/04/2013 10:29 AM
EVIL LAUGH - MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Intel / nVidia... you let the underdog smash you!
EVIL LAUGH - MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Intel / nVidia... you let the underdog smash you!
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#4716794 Posted on: 12/04/2013 11:26 AM
The most important thing to note here is that "Vishera" is the name of the CPU package that contained "Piledriver" cores for the AM3+ Socket, and that the real star of the show is "Piledriver"
The AM3+ is the last of the line, because it doesn't achieve their long-term goals of offloading FPU and other tasks to GCN cores, since the AM3+ platforms don't support APUs. The idea is, regardless of having a dedicated graphics card, that all tasks that will run faster on a gpu, can be offloaded to one automatically by design.
The FM line of sockets, on the other hand, shows us that, aside from supporting APUs (which already have the same Enhanced Piledriver cores on the latest available units that Vishera has), allow for CPUs that don't have a graphics unit. (Despite the names, are actually Piledriver-based APUs with deactivated GPU cores making them CPUs)
So, in the future, I expect that AMD will have CPUs for the FM line that don't just have deactivated GPUs, but are designed/manufactured without them, for the enthusiast market (since we usually buy a dedicated graphics card anyway).
Vishera is just Enhanced Piledriver package without the GPUs on the chip, it's not really the end of the line for anything.
The most important thing to note here is that "Vishera" is the name of the CPU package that contained "Piledriver" cores for the AM3+ Socket, and that the real star of the show is "Piledriver"
The AM3+ is the last of the line, because it doesn't achieve their long-term goals of offloading FPU and other tasks to GCN cores, since the AM3+ platforms don't support APUs. The idea is, regardless of having a dedicated graphics card, that all tasks that will run faster on a gpu, can be offloaded to one automatically by design.
The FM line of sockets, on the other hand, shows us that, aside from supporting APUs (which already have the same Enhanced Piledriver cores on the latest available units that Vishera has), allow for CPUs that don't have a graphics unit. (Despite the names, are actually Piledriver-based APUs with deactivated GPU cores making them CPUs)
So, in the future, I expect that AMD will have CPUs for the FM line that don't just have deactivated GPUs, but are designed/manufactured without them, for the enthusiast market (since we usually buy a dedicated graphics card anyway).
Vishera is just Enhanced Piledriver package without the GPUs on the chip, it's not really the end of the line for anything.
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#4716825 Posted on: 12/04/2013 12:06 PM
How much difference would L3 cache make to the APUs?
How much difference would L3 cache make to the APUs?
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#4717048 Posted on: 12/04/2013 05:39 PM
A decent amount of gain I would say. Look at the phenol vs the athlon. The big boost that will help these apu's out is memory. Amd needs to push ddr4
A decent amount of gain I would say. Look at the phenol vs the athlon. The big boost that will help these apu's out is memory. Amd needs to push ddr4
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#4717077 Posted on: 12/04/2013 06:21 PM
What wasn't mentioned is that an 8350 downclocked to 2.0ghz was gpu bound on Mantle-based applications at the recent show. Unless AMD announces that they will stop producing the 8350, let's assume that since it's an incredibly superior processor compared to 'next gen' processors in consoles, they plainly don't need to bother with making a better cpu. They have absolutely no need to improve on their cpu's, the 8350 is massively popular and with Mantle nothing more is needed. Hell, overclocked for me to 4.8 it runs several games on par with a 4770k (without Mantle). Gaming is going Mantle with AMD. The PS4 and Xbone have 8-thread AMD processors waaaay down clocked, the only thing that makes sense now is to lower prices on PC hardware.
You will eventually be able to buy an 8350 for 50-100 US, or a Mantle supported GCN powered APU. Game over Intel Games from now on are designed for AMD's multi-threaded design. Hahahaha! What an incredibly fast victory
The "next gen" consoles aren't just running underclocked AMD processors. They're running processors based on AMD's "Jaguar" architecture, which is completely different from Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller, etc. AMD, in reality, has no more advantage than Intel does in regards to their processors. The only advantage AMD may possibly have, is with graphics and that still remains to be seen.
What wasn't mentioned is that an 8350 downclocked to 2.0ghz was gpu bound on Mantle-based applications at the recent show. Unless AMD announces that they will stop producing the 8350, let's assume that since it's an incredibly superior processor compared to 'next gen' processors in consoles, they plainly don't need to bother with making a better cpu. They have absolutely no need to improve on their cpu's, the 8350 is massively popular and with Mantle nothing more is needed. Hell, overclocked for me to 4.8 it runs several games on par with a 4770k (without Mantle). Gaming is going Mantle with AMD. The PS4 and Xbone have 8-thread AMD processors waaaay down clocked, the only thing that makes sense now is to lower prices on PC hardware.
You will eventually be able to buy an 8350 for 50-100 US, or a Mantle supported GCN powered APU. Game over Intel
Games from now on are designed for AMD's multi-threaded design. Hahahaha! What an incredibly fast victory
The "next gen" consoles aren't just running underclocked AMD processors. They're running processors based on AMD's "Jaguar" architecture, which is completely different from Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller, etc. AMD, in reality, has no more advantage than Intel does in regards to their processors. The only advantage AMD may possibly have, is with graphics and that still remains to be seen.
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#4717203 Posted on: 12/04/2013 09:31 PM
What wasn't mentioned is that an 8350 downclocked to 2.0ghz was gpu bound on Mantle-based applications at the recent show. Unless AMD announces that they will stop producing the 8350, let's assume that since it's an incredibly superior processor compared to 'next gen' processors in consoles, they plainly don't need to bother with making a better cpu. They have absolutely no need to improve on their cpu's, the 8350 is massively popular and with Mantle nothing more is needed. Hell, overclocked for me to 4.8 it runs several games on par with a 4770k (without Mantle). Gaming is going Mantle with AMD. The PS4 and Xbone have 8-thread AMD processors waaaay down clocked, the only thing that makes sense now is to lower prices on PC hardware.
You will eventually be able to buy an 8350 for 50-100 US, or a Mantle supported GCN powered APU. Game over Intel Games from now on are designed for AMD's multi-threaded design. Hahahaha! What an incredibly fast
victory
You like talking out of your ass ay. Dumb ass Fanboi go get educated.
Guru 3D I love your reviews but your forum has to be one of the dumbest communities, very close to Toms hardware in that regards....I'll eat my hat when mentle provides move than %25 gain in FPS.
What wasn't mentioned is that an 8350 downclocked to 2.0ghz was gpu bound on Mantle-based applications at the recent show. Unless AMD announces that they will stop producing the 8350, let's assume that since it's an incredibly superior processor compared to 'next gen' processors in consoles, they plainly don't need to bother with making a better cpu. They have absolutely no need to improve on their cpu's, the 8350 is massively popular and with Mantle nothing more is needed. Hell, overclocked for me to 4.8 it runs several games on par with a 4770k (without Mantle). Gaming is going Mantle with AMD. The PS4 and Xbone have 8-thread AMD processors waaaay down clocked, the only thing that makes sense now is to lower prices on PC hardware.
You will eventually be able to buy an 8350 for 50-100 US, or a Mantle supported GCN powered APU. Game over Intel
Games from now on are designed for AMD's multi-threaded design. Hahahaha! What an incredibly fast
victory
You like talking out of your ass ay. Dumb ass Fanboi go get educated.
Guru 3D I love your reviews but your forum has to be one of the dumbest communities, very close to Toms hardware in that regards....I'll eat my hat when mentle provides move than %25 gain in FPS.
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#4717223 Posted on: 12/04/2013 09:53 PM
You like talking out of your ass ay. Dumb ass Fanboi go get educated.
Guru 3D I love your reviews but your forum has to be one of the dumbest communities, very close to Toms hardware in that regards....I'll eat my hat when mentle provides move than %25 gain in FPS.
Mantle is only expected to provide around 20% better performance. That may or may not turn out to be the case but we won't know until games get released using it. Until such time, there's really nothing to debate about it.
Now, those claiming that AMD processors being in the "next gen" consoles are going to change the computer industry are very misguided. They're purpose built processors based on a mobile architecture with very little relation to their desktop counterparts.
You like talking out of your ass ay. Dumb ass Fanboi go get educated.
Guru 3D I love your reviews but your forum has to be one of the dumbest communities, very close to Toms hardware in that regards....I'll eat my hat when mentle provides move than %25 gain in FPS.
Mantle is only expected to provide around 20% better performance. That may or may not turn out to be the case but we won't know until games get released using it. Until such time, there's really nothing to debate about it.
Now, those claiming that AMD processors being in the "next gen" consoles are going to change the computer industry are very misguided. They're purpose built processors based on a mobile architecture with very little relation to their desktop counterparts.
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#4717255 Posted on: 12/04/2013 10:45 PM
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=384291 posted it already
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=384291 posted it already
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#4717286 Posted on: 12/04/2013 11:28 PM
These threads are automatically created when Hilbert posted an article on the main Guru3D site.
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=384291 posted it already
These threads are automatically created when Hilbert posted an article on the main Guru3D site.
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#4717302 Posted on: 12/04/2013 11:59 PM
ahhhh ok cool
ahhhh ok cool
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#4718329 Posted on: 12/06/2013 07:29 AM
I don't mind this news the apu's clock for clock and core for core perform almost the same but with the added gpu I just hope they release some without the igpu for super overclocking.
I don't mind this news the apu's clock for clock and core for core perform almost the same but with the added gpu I just hope they release some without the igpu for super overclocking.
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#4719103 Posted on: 12/07/2013 12:57 PM
they could make quad channel memory controller for the apu, there are already 4 dimm slots on the boards
they could make quad channel memory controller for the apu, there are already 4 dimm slots on the boards
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No provision for yummy DDR4 even in 2015? It would really benefit the IGP.