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It has been long since I have been so excited about an M2 SSD, meet the Corsair Force Series MP510 M.2, an M2 SSD with the all-new Phison PS5012-E12 series NVMe controller. This puppy is as fast as the 970 series from Samsung, and simply put priced, very attractive. A must read if you plan to opt an M2 SSD anytime soon.
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#5597292 Posted on: 10/17/2018 02:59 PM
I'd like to see the 480GB version performance if you can get a drive Hilbert.
Thanks for the review, the only thing I find puzzling is the high TBW endurance they are claiming. They say 800TBW for the 480GB but other manufacturers are claiming 200 for that same 64 TLC Toshiba NAND. How can we sure they are not just making this up?
I'd like to see the 480GB version performance if you can get a drive Hilbert.
Thanks for the review, the only thing I find puzzling is the high TBW endurance they are claiming. They say 800TBW for the 480GB but other manufacturers are claiming 200 for that same 64 TLC Toshiba NAND. How can we sure they are not just making this up?
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#5597304 Posted on: 10/17/2018 03:23 PM
Corsair is finally catching up and possibly even made a better SSD than Samsung's 970. Great news, Samsung needs the competition. This new Phison controller also seems very promising! I'm a bit of a Corsair fan (I own the 460X, HD120's, ML120's, Dominator Special Edition Chrome DDR4 and HX850i) so I'm excited they're finally relevant in the SSD market as well. I look forward to a future where I can control everything through iCue rather than needing 3 different applications.
I've said this before on your Corsair SSD reviews, but this should never be an argument as a reviewer. You should review performance and how good of a buy it is for a consumer. You shouldn't say "yeah they're the underdog so you should consider them". Even when they weren't a great choice I still saw this argument in the reviews. That way you're telling your readers to buy a lesser product just because it's from an underdog brand.
Checked few more reviews and it looks like still 970 EVO is still better (maybe except short burst workload and wear).
It still have only small cache compared to 960 EVO which after ~30GB drop write speed
Corsair is finally catching up and possibly even made a better SSD than Samsung's 970. Great news, Samsung needs the competition. This new Phison controller also seems very promising! I'm a bit of a Corsair fan (I own the 460X, HD120's, ML120's, Dominator Special Edition Chrome DDR4 and HX850i) so I'm excited they're finally relevant in the SSD market as well. I look forward to a future where I can control everything through iCue rather than needing 3 different applications.
I've said this before on your Corsair SSD reviews, but this should never be an argument as a reviewer. You should review performance and how good of a buy it is for a consumer. You shouldn't say "yeah they're the underdog so you should consider them". Even when they weren't a great choice I still saw this argument in the reviews. That way you're telling your readers to buy a lesser product just because it's from an underdog brand.
Checked few more reviews and it looks like still 970 EVO is still better (maybe except short burst workload and wear).
It still have only small cache compared to 960 EVO which after ~30GB drop write speed
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#5597334 Posted on: 10/17/2018 04:04 PM
fantastic.
i'm very curious about the performance of the Phison controller vs. others, especially HP's new M.2 rocking the Toshiba memory with their own controller.
fantastic.
i'm very curious about the performance of the Phison controller vs. others, especially HP's new M.2 rocking the Toshiba memory with their own controller.
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#5597338 Posted on: 10/17/2018 04:06 PM
I'd like to see the 480GB version performance if you can get a drive Hilbert.
Thanks for the review, the only thing I find puzzling is the high TBW endurance they are claiming. They say 800TBW for the 480GB but other manufacturers are claiming 200 for that same 64 TLC Toshiba NAND. How can we sure they are not just making this up?
1) Corsair's reputation and service record
2) the memory is probably binned
3) the other companies are too cheap to give a proper warranty / this is an inducement to buy.
I'd like to see the 480GB version performance if you can get a drive Hilbert.
Thanks for the review, the only thing I find puzzling is the high TBW endurance they are claiming. They say 800TBW for the 480GB but other manufacturers are claiming 200 for that same 64 TLC Toshiba NAND. How can we sure they are not just making this up?
1) Corsair's reputation and service record
2) the memory is probably binned
3) the other companies are too cheap to give a proper warranty / this is an inducement to buy.
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#5597425 Posted on: 10/17/2018 08:02 PM
The winner in these tests, and overall best performance/price ratio goes to the 480gb SX8200 from ADATA, check the price and you'll see what i mean
The winner in these tests, and overall best performance/price ratio goes to the 480gb SX8200 from ADATA, check the price and you'll see what i mean
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#5597498 Posted on: 10/17/2018 11:33 PM
So corsair doesn't really make any of their own stuff ( a common thing). Who is making these for them? Toshiba makes the flash, and Phison makes the controller........I am just curious who assembles these for corsair.
So corsair doesn't really make any of their own stuff ( a common thing). Who is making these for them? Toshiba makes the flash, and Phison makes the controller........I am just curious who assembles these for corsair.
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#5597568 Posted on: 10/18/2018 06:42 AM
Is there any advantage of these NVMe drives over a SATA3 SSD? It seems that in all read world tests shown in this article that they perform almost within margin of error of SATA3 SSD's, I'm talking game load time, PC start up time, application load time, even things like Photoshop. The only thing that really stands out as a real world winner for NVMe vs SATA3 SSD is large file copy, that 38 GB compressed MKV file copy test, and that's not something that I nor almost anyone does on any regular basis. NVMe also seems more susceptible to heat issues & thermal throttling, which if it happens drops performance to less than SATA3 SSD (I think). To me it seems like the only argument to get an NVMe drive is if you've run out of space for SATA3 SSD's in your PC and you want to use up that empty NVMe slot, but even then the drives are more expensive than SATA3. Is there really any real world benefit of NVMe? (I've got an empty NVMe slot on my motherboard, if prices of NVMe dropped I might get one if I need more storage, don't need it yet.)
Is there any advantage of these NVMe drives over a SATA3 SSD? It seems that in all read world tests shown in this article that they perform almost within margin of error of SATA3 SSD's, I'm talking game load time, PC start up time, application load time, even things like Photoshop. The only thing that really stands out as a real world winner for NVMe vs SATA3 SSD is large file copy, that 38 GB compressed MKV file copy test, and that's not something that I nor almost anyone does on any regular basis. NVMe also seems more susceptible to heat issues & thermal throttling, which if it happens drops performance to less than SATA3 SSD (I think). To me it seems like the only argument to get an NVMe drive is if you've run out of space for SATA3 SSD's in your PC and you want to use up that empty NVMe slot, but even then the drives are more expensive than SATA3. Is there really any real world benefit of NVMe? (I've got an empty NVMe slot on my motherboard, if prices of NVMe dropped I might get one if I need more storage, don't need it yet.)
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#5597729 Posted on: 10/18/2018 04:33 PM
I'm interested in the 2TB version. It's listed as being available starting next week. The price is right compared to all of the other M.2 drives of that size.
I'm interested in the 2TB version. It's listed as being available starting next week. The price is right compared to all of the other M.2 drives of that size.
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#5597757 Posted on: 10/18/2018 05:53 PM
for Robbo9999;
the nvme drives are day and night real world over SATA 3.
i made the mistake of loading AOTS and Cuphead to my SATA 3 ssd (running out of C: space) and the difference was huge. as in several minutes vs under 30 sec.
i slowly migrated to all ssd from spinners (now only in NAS) and that was a huge jump in performance. the difference between nvme and SATA doesn't seem at first to be as large a leap, but it is. granted you are going from several minutes (or more depending on rpm) to less than half of that loading up most games, but as game files have gotten larger the difference between SATA and NVME is much more pronounced.
and of course if you're used to manipulating huge files like raw, photoshop, blender, and even compression and batch conversion software the difference is time saved in large measures.
for Robbo9999;
the nvme drives are day and night real world over SATA 3.
i made the mistake of loading AOTS and Cuphead to my SATA 3 ssd (running out of C: space) and the difference was huge. as in several minutes vs under 30 sec.
i slowly migrated to all ssd from spinners (now only in NAS) and that was a huge jump in performance. the difference between nvme and SATA doesn't seem at first to be as large a leap, but it is. granted you are going from several minutes (or more depending on rpm) to less than half of that loading up most games, but as game files have gotten larger the difference between SATA and NVME is much more pronounced.
and of course if you're used to manipulating huge files like raw, photoshop, blender, and even compression and batch conversion software the difference is time saved in large measures.
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#5597813 Posted on: 10/18/2018 09:07 PM
The winner in these tests, and overall best performance/price ratio goes to the 480gb SX8200 from ADATA, check the price and you'll see what i mean
Thanks for that snippet of info, you're right, I looked into it, and I could get that 480GB SX8200 from ADATA for £100, and performance reviews for that drive are stellar! I really don't need it though, but I'm gonna bookmark it for the future; apparently SSD prices are set to decrease still, and I don't need it now, so I'll just buy it when I need & also therefore at a lower price.
for Robbo9999;
the nvme drives are day and night real world over SATA 3.
i made the mistake of loading AOTS and Cuphead to my SATA 3 ssd (running out of C: space) and the difference was huge. as in several minutes vs under 30 sec.
i slowly migrated to all ssd from spinners (now only in NAS) and that was a huge jump in performance. the difference between nvme and SATA doesn't seem at first to be as large a leap, but it is. granted you are going from several minutes (or more depending on rpm) to less than half of that loading up most games, but as game files have gotten larger the difference between SATA and NVME is much more pronounced.
and of course if you're used to manipulating huge files like raw, photoshop, blender, and even compression and batch conversion software the difference is time saved in large measures.
Thanks for that reply, I wonder why those real world differences you talk about aren't really seen in this Guru3d review though (well apart from the file copy test)? I've bookmarked that ADATA 480GB SX8200 that valentyn0 was talking about above, saving it for a rainy day!
Like you have, I also have no spinners in my PC, just x2 SATA3 SSD's: 480GB Sandisk Ultra II as boot drive, 525GB Crucial MX300 as game & content (some game & content on the other SSD of course though). Got them both for around the £75 mark in Black Friday sales, the Sandisk I bought back in Nov 2015, and the Crucial I bought in Nov 2016.
The winner in these tests, and overall best performance/price ratio goes to the 480gb SX8200 from ADATA, check the price and you'll see what i mean
Thanks for that snippet of info, you're right, I looked into it, and I could get that 480GB SX8200 from ADATA for £100, and performance reviews for that drive are stellar! I really don't need it though, but I'm gonna bookmark it for the future; apparently SSD prices are set to decrease still, and I don't need it now, so I'll just buy it when I need & also therefore at a lower price.
for Robbo9999;
the nvme drives are day and night real world over SATA 3.
i made the mistake of loading AOTS and Cuphead to my SATA 3 ssd (running out of C: space) and the difference was huge. as in several minutes vs under 30 sec.
i slowly migrated to all ssd from spinners (now only in NAS) and that was a huge jump in performance. the difference between nvme and SATA doesn't seem at first to be as large a leap, but it is. granted you are going from several minutes (or more depending on rpm) to less than half of that loading up most games, but as game files have gotten larger the difference between SATA and NVME is much more pronounced.
and of course if you're used to manipulating huge files like raw, photoshop, blender, and even compression and batch conversion software the difference is time saved in large measures.
Thanks for that reply, I wonder why those real world differences you talk about aren't really seen in this Guru3d review though (well apart from the file copy test)? I've bookmarked that ADATA 480GB SX8200 that valentyn0 was talking about above, saving it for a rainy day!
Like you have, I also have no spinners in my PC, just x2 SATA3 SSD's: 480GB Sandisk Ultra II as boot drive, 525GB Crucial MX300 as game & content (some game & content on the other SSD of course though). Got them both for around the £75 mark in Black Friday sales, the Sandisk I bought back in Nov 2015, and the Crucial I bought in Nov 2016.
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#5599488 Posted on: 10/24/2018 12:04 AM
This is one speedy, chart topping drive! Well done Corsair!
This is one speedy, chart topping drive! Well done Corsair!
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#5665069 Posted on: 05/02/2019 12:18 AM
I've had a few sata3 ssd drives installed for couple of years then got a corsair nx500 400GB pcie nvme it was night and day compared to sata3 so much faster ….but had to take it out as msi carbon x370 didn't like nx500 (400gb)...mp510 (960gb)...970evo (500gb) ...with rx2080
still have 3xsata3 2x crucial ssd 1T and 1 Samsung 860 ssd 500GB ...sata3 was improvement over harddrive nvme is a lot faster than sata3 ssd regardless wether transferring large files or game loading times …...just wish I could get all drives working at 1 time, might be time for x570
I've had a few sata3 ssd drives installed for couple of years then got a corsair nx500 400GB pcie nvme it was night and day compared to sata3 so much faster ….but had to take it out as msi carbon x370 didn't like nx500 (400gb)...mp510 (960gb)...970evo (500gb) ...with rx2080
still have 3xsata3 2x crucial ssd 1T and 1 Samsung 860 ssd 500GB ...sata3 was improvement over harddrive nvme is a lot faster than sata3 ssd regardless wether transferring large files or game loading times …...just wish I could get all drives working at 1 time, might be time for x570
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#5665077 Posted on: 05/02/2019 12:49 AM
I think i read your post wrong(this is an edited post), i assume you are talking about SATA 3 HDDs vs NVME drives? If so, then i understand your post, if it's SATA 3 SSDs vs NVME m.2 drives, then i don't understand what you're saying, real-world useages barely find any differences between SATA 3 SSDs and NVME m.2 SSDs
I've had a few sata3 drives installed for couple of years then got a corsair nx500 400GB pcie nvme it was night and day compared to sata3 so much faster
I think i read your post wrong(this is an edited post), i assume you are talking about SATA 3 HDDs vs NVME drives? If so, then i understand your post, if it's SATA 3 SSDs vs NVME m.2 drives, then i don't understand what you're saying, real-world useages barely find any differences between SATA 3 SSDs and NVME m.2 SSDs
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#5665165 Posted on: 05/02/2019 12:32 PM
thanx ...just seen errors in post and corrected ...yes ssd's are better than HD but when you get use to speed of ssd then move to m.2 nvme drive there is a big difference in speed especially with some games there is no loading times and things just feel that bit smoother ...for example just cause 3
or battlefield 5
I think i read your post wrong(this is an edited post), i assume you are talking about SATA 3 HDDs vs NVME drives? If so, then i understand your post, if it's SATA 3 SSDs vs NVME m.2 drives, then i don't understand what you're saying, real-world useages barely find any differences between SATA 3 SSDs and NVME m.2 SSDs
thanx ...just seen errors in post and corrected ...yes ssd's are better than HD but when you get use to speed of ssd then move to m.2 nvme drive there is a big difference in speed especially with some games there is no loading times and things just feel that bit smoother ...for example just cause 3
or battlefield 5
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Corsair is finally catching up and possibly even made a better SSD than Samsung's 970. Great news, Samsung needs the competition. This new Phison controller also seems very promising! I'm a bit of a Corsair fan (I own the 460X, HD120's, ML120's, Dominator Special Edition Chrome DDR4 and HX850i) so I'm excited they're finally relevant in the SSD market as well. I look forward to a future where I can control everything through iCue rather than needing 3 different applications.
I've said this before on your Corsair SSD reviews, but this should never be an argument as a reviewer. You should review performance and how good of a buy it is for a consumer. You shouldn't say "yeah they're the underdog so you should consider them". Even when they weren't a great choice I still saw this argument in the reviews. That way you're telling your readers to buy a lesser product just because it's from an underdog brand.