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Little is safe on the web, and once things leak they do spread like wildfire. Before we dive into the information (and there is a lot to cover) we want to apply the disclaimer that all this is unconfirmed information, but these are rather juicy details.
The information was posted by YouTuber Jim from AdoredTV and followed by wccftech involves the upcoming Ryzen 3000 lineup. In his video he talks about detailed information about the next-generation Ryzen processors. Last months we've already heard about ZEN2 at 7nm on the Epyc platform with its chiplet design, and that would apply to Ryzen 3000 as well. Again, please take the information with a grain of salt and the usual healthy disclaimers in mind.
It is mentioned that Ryzen 3000 would start with six cores for entry-level running up-to sixteen cores for high-end. The good stuff can get Turbo frequencies over 5 GHz. If true, this all might just be what the doctor ordered for AMD.
AMD Ryzen 3000 series assumed specifications
| AMD Ryzen | Base Clock | Turbo Clock | Cores/Threads | TDP | Price | Announced |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ryzen 3 3300 | 3.2GHz | 4.0GHz | 6/12 | 50W | $99 | CES |
| Ryzen 3 3300X | 3.5GHz | 4.3GHz | 6/12 | 65W | $129 | CES |
| Ryzen 3 3300G | 3.0GHz | 3.8GHz | 6/12 | 65W | $129 | Q3 2019 |
| Ryzen 5 3600 | 3.6GHz | 4.4GHz | 8/16 | 65W | $178 | CES |
| Ryzen 5 3600X | 4.0GHz | 4.8GHz | 8/16 | 95W | $229 | CES |
| Ryzen 5 3600G | 3.2GHz | 4.0GHz | 8/16 | 95W | $199 | Q3 2019 |
| Ryzen 7 3700 | 3.8GHz | 4.6GHz | 12/24 | 95W | $299 | CES |
| Ryzen 7 3700X | 4.2GHz | 5.0GHz | 12/24 | 105W | $329 | CES |
| Ryzen 9 3800X | 3.9GHz | 4.7GHz | 16/32 | 125W | $449 | CES |
| Ryzen 9 3850X | 4.3GHz | 5.1GHz | 16/32 | 135W | $499 | May 2019 |
Ryzen 3 3300X, 3300 and 3300G (6c/12t), up to 4.3 GHz
AMD would release four product segments, low, mainstream, high-end and let us call it enthusiast level. The range starts with Ryzen 3 3000 series processors called 3300X, 3300 & 3300G. The one with the G would get embedded graphics. Now the 'entry-level' procs would be six-core parts with twelve threads. I know, hard to believe right? Then again, AMD has been on a more-core race for a while now. The 3300G would feature an integrated Navi 12 IGP with 15 CUs. The Ryzen 3 3300X would be the fastest six-core Ryzen part. Here the proc would feature a turbo to 4.3 GHz all at a TDP of 65W. These procs would sit in a 100~149 USD price bracket.
Ryzen 5 3600X, 3600 and 3600G (8c/16t), up to 4.8 GHz
At prices between 200~300 USD we reach the mainstream segment with Ryzen 5 3000 CPUs in the form of the 3600X, 3600 and 3600G. The one with the G would get embedded graphics (Navi 12 with 14 activated CUs). You guessed it, these would be 8-core parts and 16 threads. The Ryzen 5 3600X would run towards 4.8 GHz on its turbo clock and has a 95 Watt TDP.
Ryzen 7 3700X, 3700 (12c/24t), up to 5.0 GHz
Here's where things get more serious, two 3700 series procs, both have 12 cores and 24 threads. The 3700 runs to 4.6 GHz and the X version, towards 5.0 GHz and sit in the 300~350 USD range.
Ryzen 9 3850X, 3800X (16c/32t), up to 5.1 GHz
It doesn't stop here though, there are two 16-core processors to be launched and both feature two 8 core Zen 2 dies and that's 32 threads at a price under 500 USD. The Ryzen 9 3850X does have a spicy TDP but an equally spicy turbo clock of 5.1 GHz.
If all true and not fake or a hoax (hey a lot of people have a lot of free time on their hands to post on Social platforms these days), this is looking to become a very interesting lineup from top to bottom, fingers crossed.
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#5613877 Posted on: 12/05/2018 04:13 PM
Unfortunately it seems fake :<
https://twitter.com/KOMACHI-ENSAKA/status/1070073486154985472
Unfortunately it seems fake :<
https://twitter.com/KOMACHI-ENSAKA/status/1070073486154985472
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#5613880 Posted on: 12/05/2018 04:20 PM
It seems plausible to me.
There is a mistake in the text though, the Ryzen 5 3600G with integrated graphics should say 20CU and not 12CU as currently written.
Intel is probably thinking how they are going to market a dual-die i9-9900, and power it.
Maybe they'll follow Cascade-AP, and have a new socket and sell it with its watercooler included ? (Sarcasm)
Make the x299 mainstream ?
An exciting CES is coming !!
It seems plausible to me.
There is a mistake in the text though, the Ryzen 5 3600G with integrated graphics should say 20CU and not 12CU as currently written.
Intel is probably thinking how they are going to market a dual-die i9-9900, and power it.
Maybe they'll follow Cascade-AP, and have a new socket and sell it with its watercooler included ? (Sarcasm)
Make the x299 mainstream ?
An exciting CES is coming !!
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#5613881 Posted on: 12/05/2018 04:20 PM
Just some small mistakes:
Little is save (safe) on the web
there are two 16-core processors to be launched and both feature two 8 core Zen 2 dies and that's 36 (32) threads at a price under 500 USD
As for the news, I'm a bit skeptical such high core count & frequencies will be available at those prices, but I'm more than happy to be wrong
Just some small mistakes:
Little is save (safe) on the web
there are two 16-core processors to be launched and both feature two 8 core Zen 2 dies and that's 36 (32) threads at a price under 500 USD
As for the news, I'm a bit skeptical such high core count & frequencies will be available at those prices, but I'm more than happy to be wrong
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#5613882 Posted on: 12/05/2018 04:20 PM
very plausible, even if not technically "true".
the surprising take away for me is the 3900x & 3950x as this is a very sweet spot right below Threadripper entry level. this would be an "in your face" to the I-9/ I-7 especially at those clocks, and most especially for the ease of cooling despite "moar cores". i see the "3900/50x" as tweaked for gaming, as there is no quad channel memory need/expense like Threadripper.
R.I.P. x299 (even if the story is false).
very plausible, even if not technically "true".
the surprising take away for me is the 3900x & 3950x as this is a very sweet spot right below Threadripper entry level. this would be an "in your face" to the I-9/ I-7 especially at those clocks, and most especially for the ease of cooling despite "moar cores". i see the "3900/50x" as tweaked for gaming, as there is no quad channel memory need/expense like Threadripper.
R.I.P. x299 (even if the story is false).
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#5613883 Posted on: 12/05/2018 04:21 PM
Even though it would be nice to have, its too good to be true.
Sad overhype
Even though it would be nice to have, its too good to be true.
Sad overhype
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#5613886 Posted on: 12/05/2018 04:23 PM
Is there a reason we should believe this Twitter person over the leaks to begin with, is it someone with actual insight into the industry or the like?
Because nothing about the leaks, which as far as AdoredTV goes includes not just the Reddit post but another source as well, seem outside of the realm of possibility. If there's one thing I personally was a bit skeptical about it's the clock speeds, they seems a bit on the high side. But I know nothign of how the 7nm process compares to 14/12nm so that's just my gut feeling
Unfortunately it seems fake :<
Is there a reason we should believe this Twitter person over the leaks to begin with, is it someone with actual insight into the industry or the like?
Because nothing about the leaks, which as far as AdoredTV goes includes not just the Reddit post but another source as well, seem outside of the realm of possibility. If there's one thing I personally was a bit skeptical about it's the clock speeds, they seems a bit on the high side. But I know nothign of how the 7nm process compares to 14/12nm so that's just my gut feeling
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#5613894 Posted on: 12/05/2018 04:41 PM
"Fake"? "Sad overhype"? Real easy to say, but it doesn't do justice to the level of research and analysis AdoredTV has yet again presented. Maybe you can counter some of his conclusions with equally cogent reasoning of your own. But I believe it, and it's great news.
He also makes some very important predictions about Navi. In terms of value and TDP it will probably kill everything below a 2080, and incidentally put huge price pressure on the top end parts from NVidia - at least as they exist today. And those used 1080 TIs now at $600 may well be $250 next summer.
"Fake"? "Sad overhype"? Real easy to say, but it doesn't do justice to the level of research and analysis AdoredTV has yet again presented. Maybe you can counter some of his conclusions with equally cogent reasoning of your own. But I believe it, and it's great news.
He also makes some very important predictions about Navi. In terms of value and TDP it will probably kill everything below a 2080, and incidentally put huge price pressure on the top end parts from NVidia - at least as they exist today. And those used 1080 TIs now at $600 may well be $250 next summer.
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#5613896 Posted on: 12/05/2018 04:48 PM
i will be at C.E.S. when i can squeeze out time i'll send a few posts. i'm an association member so i'm not flacking for any manufacturer in particular as they are all members too.
i will be there for Lisa Su's keynote, which i'm really looking forward to. C.E.S. used to be rough before Vegas became family friendly...now i can take meetings without being in strip clubs (believe it or not that's the way it was until 2005-ish).
i will be at C.E.S. when i can squeeze out time i'll send a few posts. i'm an association member so i'm not flacking for any manufacturer in particular as they are all members too.
i will be there for Lisa Su's keynote, which i'm really looking forward to. C.E.S. used to be rough before Vegas became family friendly...now i can take meetings without being in strip clubs (believe it or not that's the way it was until 2005-ish).
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#5613897 Posted on: 12/05/2018 04:52 PM
These leaks seem dumb to me. First off, consumer really doesn't need 16 cores. Sure, everyone here will tell me now that this attitude enabled intel to suck for years, but its still true. More then 8 cores is wasted on consumers at this point in time. Anyway..
So why don't I just buy an 8 core then? I would. But why is there no 8 core with the same max clock as the 16-core? Thats not even logical. An 8-core could much more easily reach higher clocks, since less cores produce less heat.
If these are true, it seems like a really bad decision to "force" people to buy a 16-core if they want the highest clocks as well for ST performance. Make me an 8-core with the highest clocks possible, and thats the CPU I would buy. I don't need 16 cores. Keep 16-cores in ThreadRipper land, focus Ryzen on the best 8-core you can make.
These leaks seem dumb to me. First off, consumer really doesn't need 16 cores. Sure, everyone here will tell me now that this attitude enabled intel to suck for years, but its still true. More then 8 cores is wasted on consumers at this point in time. Anyway..
So why don't I just buy an 8 core then? I would. But why is there no 8 core with the same max clock as the 16-core? Thats not even logical. An 8-core could much more easily reach higher clocks, since less cores produce less heat.
If these are true, it seems like a really bad decision to "force" people to buy a 16-core if they want the highest clocks as well for ST performance. Make me an 8-core with the highest clocks possible, and thats the CPU I would buy. I don't need 16 cores. Keep 16-cores in ThreadRipper land, focus Ryzen on the best 8-core you can make.
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#5613902 Posted on: 12/05/2018 04:57 PM
Looks like an upgrade in in my future.
Looks like an upgrade in in my future.
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#5613906 Posted on: 12/05/2018 05:06 PM
Do we know if it will run @ 5GHz on all cores or just the one?
Do we know if it will run @ 5GHz on all cores or just the one?
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#5613909 Posted on: 12/05/2018 05:10 PM
These leaks seem dumb to me. First off, consumer really doesn't need 16 cores. Sure, everyone here will tell me now that this attitude enabled intel to suck for years, but its still true. More then 8 cores is wasted on consumers at this point in time. Anyway..
So why don't I just buy an 8 core then? I would. But why is there no 8 core with the same max clock as the 16-core? Thats not even logical. An 8-core could much more easily reach higher clocks, since less cores produce less heat.
If these are true, it seems like a really bad decision to "force" people to buy a 16-core if they want the highest clocks as well for ST performance. Make me an 8-core with the highest clocks possible, and thats the CPU I would buy. I don't need 16 cores. Keep 16-cores in ThreadRipper land, focus Ryzen on the best 8-core you can make.
A few points on that:
- The new pricing structure makes those extra cores Free and the clocks a Huge bonus over current Ryzen chips.
- When the hardware is there the software will follow.
The 7700k does not meet min specs for running BF V raytracing for example. It was an excellent chip, but trying to stick to lower cores holds things back.
Software is already struggling with 4c 8t.
Also worth noting that these leaked speed improvements are close to half of what 7nm was promised by TSMC as being capable of.
These leaks seem dumb to me. First off, consumer really doesn't need 16 cores. Sure, everyone here will tell me now that this attitude enabled intel to suck for years, but its still true. More then 8 cores is wasted on consumers at this point in time. Anyway..
So why don't I just buy an 8 core then? I would. But why is there no 8 core with the same max clock as the 16-core? Thats not even logical. An 8-core could much more easily reach higher clocks, since less cores produce less heat.
If these are true, it seems like a really bad decision to "force" people to buy a 16-core if they want the highest clocks as well for ST performance. Make me an 8-core with the highest clocks possible, and thats the CPU I would buy. I don't need 16 cores. Keep 16-cores in ThreadRipper land, focus Ryzen on the best 8-core you can make.
A few points on that:
- The new pricing structure makes those extra cores Free and the clocks a Huge bonus over current Ryzen chips.
- When the hardware is there the software will follow.
The 7700k does not meet min specs for running BF V raytracing for example. It was an excellent chip, but trying to stick to lower cores holds things back.
Software is already struggling with 4c 8t.
Also worth noting that these leaked speed improvements are close to half of what 7nm was promised by TSMC as being capable of.
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#5613910 Posted on: 12/05/2018 05:10 PM
16 cores at 5.0GHz seem too good to be true... Not to mention it would destroy 90% of the TR CPUs and it would be very difficult to improve on top of chips like that.
16 cores at 5.0GHz seem too good to be true... Not to mention it would destroy 90% of the TR CPUs and it would be very difficult to improve on top of chips like that.
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#5613911 Posted on: 12/05/2018 05:13 PM
They are most likely to show the single core boost.
i expect it to be able to do all core boost, just not within TDP. and not with Aircooling.
edit : The Anniversary Edition, or top R9 chip. will likely be sold either without a cooler at all or with the Watercooler provided. That would probably enable all core 5GHz boost.
edit2 : If the top bin Chips can hit 5GHz all core boost on Watercooling, that means that a lot of the lower binned chips (8c or 12c) will get pretty close under good cooling/Watercooling/AiO cooling.
Do we know if it will run @ 5GHz on all cores or just the one?
They are most likely to show the single core boost.
i expect it to be able to do all core boost, just not within TDP. and not with Aircooling.
edit : The Anniversary Edition, or top R9 chip. will likely be sold either without a cooler at all or with the Watercooler provided. That would probably enable all core 5GHz boost.
edit2 : If the top bin Chips can hit 5GHz all core boost on Watercooling, that means that a lot of the lower binned chips (8c or 12c) will get pretty close under good cooling/Watercooling/AiO cooling.
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If this is all true Intel is f*cked (excuse my language).