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Guru3D.com » News » Nvidia might be moving to Multi-Chip-Module GPU design

Nvidia might be moving to Multi-Chip-Module GPU design

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 07/05/2017 08:02 AM | source: | 38 comment(s)
Nvidia might be moving to Multi-Chip-Module GPU design

With Moore's law becoming more difficult each year technology is bound to change. At one point it will be impossible to shrink transistors even further, hence companies like Nvidia already are thinking about new methodologies and technologies to adapt to that. Meet the Multi-Chip-Module GPU design.

Nvidia published a paper that shows how they can connect multiple parts (GPU modules) with an interconnect. According to the research, this will allow for bigger GPUs with more processing power. Not only will is help tackling the common problems, it would also be cheaper to achieve as fabbing four dies that you connect is cheaper to do than to make one huge monolithic design.

Thinking about it, AMD is doing exactly this with Threadripper and EPYC processors where they basically connect two to four Summit Ridge (ZEN) dies with that wide PCIe lane link (they use 64 PCie lanes per link with 128 available), Infinity Fabric.

According to the researchers, as an example a GPU with four GPU modules they recommend three architecture optimizations that will allow for minimal loss off data-communication in-between the different modules. According to the paper the loss in performance compared to a monolithic single die chip would be merely 10%
 


Of course when you think about it, in essence SLI is already a similar methodology (not technology), however as you guys know it can be rather inefficient and challenging in scaling and compatibility. The paper states this MCM design would be performing 26.8% better compared to any multi-GPU solution. If and when Nvidia is going to fab MCM multi GPU module based chips is not known, for now this is just a paper on the topic. The fact that they publish it indicates it is bound to happen at one point in time though.
 

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Spets
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#5449547 Posted on: 07/05/2017 02:41 AM
Thanks for the link, it's a great read. Looking forward to seeing what they achieve with their first commercial Multi-Chip-Module GPU.

volkov956
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#5449558 Posted on: 07/05/2017 04:25 AM
both companies need to mask the amount of gpus from the OS driver level so the system only sees 1 and the onboard bios of the gpu decides out how the gpu dishes out the utilization otherwise we will be stuck waiting and hoping the developers figure it out

Same goes for CPU i really want to find the documents on this it was discussed way back in mid 2000's how its possible but no one wants to do it..

and from what I can find it has been done back in the earlier days aka voodoo and someother company forget which one where os and drivers only seen it as 1

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#5449579 Posted on: 07/05/2017 08:13 AM
Hello Voodoo 5 ?

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#5449584 Posted on: 07/05/2017 08:38 AM
Good stuff, no more masses of video cards crammed into cases overheating all over the place.

This could be soo good, SLI in the one card done properly, but I guess it hasn't happend due to the current tech limitations.

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#5449595 Posted on: 07/05/2017 09:44 AM
yay for a Voodoo 5 :)

This is understandable, especially what with the Fab Processes being late, and farther and farther apart.

If you can't rely on reducing the size of the chips/transistors, the you have to go MCM, or Multi-chip-on-board a la Voodoo, for the High end cards.

even if its only for the datacenter GPU cards at first (they can pay for the R&D with the prices the cards sell for) and then the consumer will get a trickle down effect later on.

I suspect it hasn't been done lately, because they didn't plan to, officially.
It also means dedicating on-die space to something that won't be used in Single chip boards, which would be wasted.

I could see a medium sized GPU with a 128bit GDDR/X bus, or a Single HBM Stack (either 512bit or 1024bit wide) and adding up to four of them together on a single card.

The HBCC might be a good fit for this, since there would be one per chip, and one of them could become 'master' to the others, and give them orders.
NVLink is probably set up for this as well.

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