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Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 (3GB) has a 96-bit memory bus
A little while ago we mentioned that there would be a new SKU released based on the Geforce GTX 1050, a 3GB version of the GeForce GTX 1050. The card should fill the gap between the GTX 1050 with 2GB and the GTX 1050 Ti with 4GB.
Back then I already mentioned that it would be interesting to see how that would work out memory controller wise. Nvidia just posted the full specs here. As you can see, the 3GB version is a real thing, there, however, is a significant change in the memory controller, it's 96-bit and that is a significant change, low-end and entry-level graphics cards are always very memory deprived in bandwidth. So you gain 1GB more memory, your memory bandwidth will drop by roughly 25% A good thing, however, is that the shader proc count and base clock has been increased a fair bit over the 2GB model.
Last but not least, very interesting is the fact that you could look at the product as a cut-down 1050 Ti really, as the 1050 3GB gets a bump on Shader processors, now at 768 shader processors (coming from 640 on the 2 GB 1050), straightening things out shaders wise at the level of the Ti model. Well, should we just call this a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti with 1GB cut away?
Many thanks, SH SOTH for the news-submit.
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#5548687 Posted on: 05/21/2018 03:33 PM
Watch the Cuda Cores. It says 768, which means that they use a full 1050Ti with 3Gb Ram!
Edit: Would this GPU be more powerful running older games? The boost clocks would intent this, but you lose memory bandwith or am i wrong?
Watch the Cuda Cores. It says 768, which means that they use a full 1050Ti with 3Gb Ram!
Edit: Would this GPU be more powerful running older games? The boost clocks would intent this, but you lose memory bandwith or am i wrong?
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#5548699 Posted on: 05/21/2018 03:52 PM
Watch the Cuda Cores. It says 768, which means that they use a full 1050Ti with 3Gb Ram!
Edit: Would this GPU be more powerful running older games? The boost clocks would intent this, but you lose memory bandwith or am i wrong?
The 96-bit wide bus cripples the product. Even a 128-bit bus GPU is dog slow compared to a proper 256-bit bus GPU, etc., even if everything else is equal.
Watch the Cuda Cores. It says 768, which means that they use a full 1050Ti with 3Gb Ram!
Edit: Would this GPU be more powerful running older games? The boost clocks would intent this, but you lose memory bandwith or am i wrong?
The 96-bit wide bus cripples the product. Even a 128-bit bus GPU is dog slow compared to a proper 256-bit bus GPU, etc., even if everything else is equal.
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#5548701 Posted on: 05/21/2018 03:57 PM
Thank you for the fact based informative reporting in this article. I first read this information on another site just minutes before and it was written as though some wildly nefarious action was taking place rather than a specification change as the fact it is. Consumer is aware, specification is public, decision can be made. Lower memory at higher bus width or higher memory at lower bus width on a product that remains a low end product.
Thank you for the fact based informative reporting in this article. I first read this information on another site just minutes before and it was written as though some wildly nefarious action was taking place rather than a specification change as the fact it is. Consumer is aware, specification is public, decision can be made. Lower memory at higher bus width or higher memory at lower bus width on a product that remains a low end product.
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#5548707 Posted on: 05/21/2018 04:18 PM
Wonder how it will fare for upscaling to 4K with madvr.
Wonder how it will fare for upscaling to 4K with madvr.
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#5548717 Posted on: 05/21/2018 04:55 PM
Another fk up by nVidia, really the GPP program was transparency and you do this sort of shit, like the 1030, one with GDDR5 and the other with GDDR4 WTF the latter has less than half the bandwidth it's technically a completely different SKU could have used the 1020 for the DDR4 model, then the GTX 1060 3GB (1152 shader) vs the 1060 with 6GB (1280 shaders) with the latter being 10-30% faster could have used the GTX1055. Now you have the 1050 2/4GB being faster in bandwidth scenarios than then 3GB model but in fill rate the 3GB should be faster. I bet bandwidth limitation will kick in before fillrate.
Nvidias Line up is a total mess, GPP couldn't save this mess with this alleged transparency.
Another fk up by nVidia, really the GPP program was transparency and you do this sort of shit, like the 1030, one with GDDR5 and the other with GDDR4 WTF the latter has less than half the bandwidth it's technically a completely different SKU could have used the 1020 for the DDR4 model, then the GTX 1060 3GB (1152 shader) vs the 1060 with 6GB (1280 shaders) with the latter being 10-30% faster could have used the GTX1055. Now you have the 1050 2/4GB being faster in bandwidth scenarios than then 3GB model but in fill rate the 3GB should be faster. I bet bandwidth limitation will kick in before fillrate.
Nvidias Line up is a total mess, GPP couldn't save this mess with this alleged transparency.
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#5548750 Posted on: 05/21/2018 06:48 PM
Who do they aim products like this at? What purpose would this card serve to a consumer? Is it targeted at OEMs? Is it for retail? People who know what they are buying wouldn't look at this card, so is this just to add to the confusion for people who don't?
Who do they aim products like this at? What purpose would this card serve to a consumer? Is it targeted at OEMs? Is it for retail? People who know what they are buying wouldn't look at this card, so is this just to add to the confusion for people who don't?
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#5548755 Posted on: 05/21/2018 07:02 PM
Precisely. Is this the perfect GPU for people looking for a 4k HEVC HDR ready Home Theater PC? If the extra RAM makes it a better choice performance-wise and the weaker gaming potential makes it better value-wise for this one specific usage case, so be it.
Otherwise, who needs it?
Wonder how it will fare for upscaling to 4K with madvr.
Precisely. Is this the perfect GPU for people looking for a 4k HEVC HDR ready Home Theater PC? If the extra RAM makes it a better choice performance-wise and the weaker gaming potential makes it better value-wise for this one specific usage case, so be it.
Otherwise, who needs it?
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#5548766 Posted on: 05/21/2018 07:33 PM
Geez, I had a HIS AGP HD 3850 card that was even 256 bit memory interface:
http://www.hisdigital.com/us/product2-358.shtml
The funny part is "Crossfire Technology." Was there ever a mainboard available with 2 or more AGP slots? heh
Geez, I had a HIS AGP HD 3850 card that was even 256 bit memory interface:
http://www.hisdigital.com/us/product2-358.shtml
The funny part is "Crossfire Technology." Was there ever a mainboard available with 2 or more AGP slots? heh
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#5548771 Posted on: 05/21/2018 07:50 PM
Radeon 9700 was 256-bit. NVidia always sucked in this matter when compared to ATI.
But those Pascal+ cards do use some sort of new memory compression algorithms. Much will depend on price and how well VRAM will overclock.
Radeon 9700 was 256-bit. NVidia always sucked in this matter when compared to ATI.
But those Pascal+ cards do use some sort of new memory compression algorithms. Much will depend on price and how well VRAM will overclock.
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#5548793 Posted on: 05/21/2018 08:39 PM
Precisely. Is this the perfect GPU for people looking for a 4k HEVC HDR ready Home Theater PC? If the extra RAM makes it a better choice performance-wise and the weaker gaming potential makes it better value-wise for this one specific usage case, so be it.
Otherwise, who needs it?
The regular 1050 does the job just fine for an HTPC with 4K HDR HEVC, no real benefit to adding more RAM, CUDA cores or clock speed. All of the video decoding is done by the NVENC engine built into the chip, the actual CUDA stuff is barely used. The 1050 can even do hardware HEVC encoding at a good clip (5x-10x playback speed depending on the content). I suppose if you wanted to not use NVENC for better quality it might have some benefits, but for most common HTPC builds the base 1050 is pretty much the perfect GPU.
Precisely. Is this the perfect GPU for people looking for a 4k HEVC HDR ready Home Theater PC? If the extra RAM makes it a better choice performance-wise and the weaker gaming potential makes it better value-wise for this one specific usage case, so be it.
Otherwise, who needs it?
The regular 1050 does the job just fine for an HTPC with 4K HDR HEVC, no real benefit to adding more RAM, CUDA cores or clock speed. All of the video decoding is done by the NVENC engine built into the chip, the actual CUDA stuff is barely used. The 1050 can even do hardware HEVC encoding at a good clip (5x-10x playback speed depending on the content). I suppose if you wanted to not use NVENC for better quality it might have some benefits, but for most common HTPC builds the base 1050 is pretty much the perfect GPU.
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#5548797 Posted on: 05/21/2018 08:49 PM
Yeah I don't really get it either. When AMD does this, sure, it's annoying and stupid, but it's usually for OEMs.
This isn't the first time Nvidia has done this. For example, I remember there were 3 different flavors of the GT 630, each of which were very different from each other (in fact, 2 were Fermi while one was Kepler based) and to my knowledge, none of them were specific to OEMs. It seems for anything below ##50Ti, Nvidia just recycles the performance tiers in whatever way conveniently gets rid of binned parts. I'm not sure if I prefer this, or AMD's method of "let's rebrand these same binned chips for the next 4 years".
Who do they aim products like this at? What purpose would this card serve to a consumer? Is it targeted at OEMs? Is it for retail? People who know what they are buying wouldn't look at this card, so is this just to add to the confusion for people who don't?
Yeah I don't really get it either. When AMD does this, sure, it's annoying and stupid, but it's usually for OEMs.
This isn't the first time Nvidia has done this. For example, I remember there were 3 different flavors of the GT 630, each of which were very different from each other (in fact, 2 were Fermi while one was Kepler based) and to my knowledge, none of them were specific to OEMs. It seems for anything below ##50Ti, Nvidia just recycles the performance tiers in whatever way conveniently gets rid of binned parts. I'm not sure if I prefer this, or AMD's method of "let's rebrand these same binned chips for the next 4 years".
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#5548808 Posted on: 05/21/2018 09:27 PM
Purpose is to get additional sales of bad apples. Meant to be sold to confused people.
Who do they aim products like this at? What purpose would this card serve to a consumer? Is it targeted at OEMs? Is it for retail? People who know what they are buying wouldn't look at this card, so is this just to add to the confusion for people who don't?
Purpose is to get additional sales of bad apples. Meant to be sold to confused people.
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#5548812 Posted on: 05/21/2018 09:39 PM
Yeah I don't really get it either. When AMD does this, sure, it's annoying and stupid, but it's usually for OEMs.
This isn't the first time Nvidia has done this. For example, I remember there were 3 different flavors of the GT 630, each of which were very different from each other (in fact, 2 were Fermi while one was Kepler based) and to my knowledge, none of them were specific to OEMs. It seems for anything below ##50Ti, Nvidia just recycles the performance tiers in whatever way conveniently gets rid of binned parts. I'm not sure if I prefer this, or AMD's method of "let's rebrand these same binned chips for the next 4 years".
From what i understand these new cards are coming from Bad chips, in this case bad 1050ti chips, that don't quite meet the standards. Least this is what i have gathered... I just wish they had a better name scheme... i mean whats wrong with GTX 1055 or 1050x, least then less tech savvy customers can understand it a bit better. Though i guess the majority of us here this wont be an issue.
The bandwidth on this card is a joke though, Then again this late into a cycle people unless they really need one this second shouldn't be buying any GPU's with rumours of new ones just around the corner
Yeah I don't really get it either. When AMD does this, sure, it's annoying and stupid, but it's usually for OEMs.
This isn't the first time Nvidia has done this. For example, I remember there were 3 different flavors of the GT 630, each of which were very different from each other (in fact, 2 were Fermi while one was Kepler based) and to my knowledge, none of them were specific to OEMs. It seems for anything below ##50Ti, Nvidia just recycles the performance tiers in whatever way conveniently gets rid of binned parts. I'm not sure if I prefer this, or AMD's method of "let's rebrand these same binned chips for the next 4 years".
From what i understand these new cards are coming from Bad chips, in this case bad 1050ti chips, that don't quite meet the standards. Least this is what i have gathered... I just wish they had a better name scheme... i mean whats wrong with GTX 1055 or 1050x, least then less tech savvy customers can understand it a bit better. Though i guess the majority of us here this wont be an issue.
The bandwidth on this card is a joke though, Then again this late into a cycle people unless they really need one this second shouldn't be buying any GPU's with rumours of new ones just around the corner
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#5548816 Posted on: 05/21/2018 09:57 PM
Yeh, I don't get it, why does the bus keep going down? Does it really shave off a lot of the cost or something?? I remember back in the day 256 was scoffed at compared to 320 or whatever, then 128 became the norm. lol So now 96... I guess even lower soon. ha
The 96-bit wide bus cripples the product. Even a 128-bit bus GPU is dog slow compared to a proper 256-bit bus GPU, etc., even if everything else is equal.
Yeh, I don't get it, why does the bus keep going down? Does it really shave off a lot of the cost or something?? I remember back in the day 256 was scoffed at compared to 320 or whatever, then 128 became the norm. lol So now 96... I guess even lower soon. ha
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Looks like a lot of dud chips getting a new home.