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MSI X570 Gaming Pro Carbon and Plus for AMD Ryzen 3000 Leak
Photos have leaked from MSI's upcoming X570 gaming motherboards. It's a twofold of boards, the X570 Gaming Pro Carbon and the X570 Gaming Plus. Once again the motherboards have an active fan on board on top of the chipset and shows a dual PCIe x16 slot, likely PCIe Gen 4.
The new motherboards surfaced at Videocardz and both are based on the upcoming AMD X570 (PCH) chipset, designed for the new Ryzen 3000 series. We had a debate earlier on about the active chipset cooler, from the looks of it, most X570 motherboards are going to get them, which kind of blows as small fans often are very noisy. You'll notice the Gaming Pro Carbon has four DDR4 DIMM slots, and six SATA III ports and two PCIe x16 slots, two PCIe x1 slots and two x4 slots. Gaming Plus model shows two PCIe x16 slots and three x1 slots.
These X570 will be announced at Computex later this month. You may expect two slots to be PCIe Gen 4.0 compatible as well as getting Wi-Fi 6 support (AX).
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#5670458 Posted on: 05/17/2019 09:15 PM
I'm intrigued about double PCIe x16, if it is indeed two real x16.
Almost seems like AMD is trying to push Crossfire or maybe something enhanced like nvidia did with the nvlink.
That could work as a replacement for my GTX1080 if the best Navi is about RTX2080 only, as i'm looking for something similar to 2080Ti or better.
I'm intrigued about double PCIe x16, if it is indeed two real x16.
Almost seems like AMD is trying to push Crossfire or maybe something enhanced like nvidia did with the nvlink.
That could work as a replacement for my GTX1080 if the best Navi is about RTX2080 only, as i'm looking for something similar to 2080Ti or better.
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#5670472 Posted on: 05/17/2019 09:42 PM
PCIe is not only for GPU,it is used more and more for SSD system (in raid or not ) as an exemple...
PCIe is not only for GPU,it is used more and more for SSD system (in raid or not ) as an exemple...
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#5670480 Posted on: 05/17/2019 09:53 PM
Since it is now pretty obvious the X570 gets pretty hot, I'm now much more curious if the B550 will need a chipset fan.
Since it is now pretty obvious the X570 gets pretty hot, I'm now much more curious if the B550 will need a chipset fan.
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#5670482 Posted on: 05/17/2019 10:12 PM
my question is, why is this fan required? yes it runs hot.. but why exactly? Will the x470 performs as good as the x570 when pared with the new line of CPUs? if yes, i would just wait for a better version of x570s as my experience with mobos that need a fan on the south bridge was always bad.
my question is, why is this fan required? yes it runs hot.. but why exactly? Will the x470 performs as good as the x570 when pared with the new line of CPUs? if yes, i would just wait for a better version of x570s as my experience with mobos that need a fan on the south bridge was always bad.
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#5670495 Posted on: 05/17/2019 10:53 PM
The last thing I want is another stupid fan in my case
The last thing I want is another stupid fan in my case
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#5670499 Posted on: 05/17/2019 10:55 PM
You're thinking about performance in general. Ryzen is far more frequency bound because the interconnect ("Infinity Fabric") runs at the RAM speed. A higher RAM speed on a Ryzen system isn't just higher speed RAM, it's a higher speed for the data between CCX units. I have 3600MHz RAM which I'm currently running at 3466MHz, rather than lower with even tighter timings, because benchmarks show that even past 3200MHz there is increased CPU performance.
It's hard to run at 3600MHz on Zen+ when the CPU overclocked. And even at 3466MHz I'm pumping 1.43 volts through my RAM to keep the system stable.
my question is, why is this fan required? yes it runs hot.. but why exactly? Will the x470 performs as good as the x570 when pared with the new line of CPUs? if yes, i would just wait for a better version of x570s as my experience with mobos that need a fan on the south bridge was always bad.
May be due to the PCIe 4.0 PLX chip being hot or maybe due to add some air flow to around the area for the M.2 slots as they get hot under sustained workloads.
You're thinking about performance in general. Ryzen is far more frequency bound because the interconnect ("Infinity Fabric") runs at the RAM speed. A higher RAM speed on a Ryzen system isn't just higher speed RAM, it's a higher speed for the data between CCX units. I have 3600MHz RAM which I'm currently running at 3466MHz, rather than lower with even tighter timings, because benchmarks show that even past 3200MHz there is increased CPU performance.
It's hard to run at 3600MHz on Zen+ when the CPU overclocked. And even at 3466MHz I'm pumping 1.43 volts through my RAM to keep the system stable.
my question is, why is this fan required? yes it runs hot.. but why exactly? Will the x470 performs as good as the x570 when pared with the new line of CPUs? if yes, i would just wait for a better version of x570s as my experience with mobos that need a fan on the south bridge was always bad.
May be due to the PCIe 4.0 PLX chip being hot or maybe due to add some air flow to around the area for the M.2 slots as they get hot under sustained workloads.
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#5670515 Posted on: 05/17/2019 11:49 PM
Horrible PCB. Horrible plastic (which does not help cooling at all). Indecent cooling. An heatpipe would be enough for a 15W TDP chipset, but wait, you can't make rgb heatpipe while you can with plastic.
The second is a x8 contacts for sure.
Horrible PCB. Horrible plastic (which does not help cooling at all). Indecent cooling. An heatpipe would be enough for a 15W TDP chipset, but wait, you can't make rgb heatpipe while you can with plastic.
Gaming Plus model shows two PCIe x16 slots and three x1 slots.
The second is a x8 contacts for sure.
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#5670525 Posted on: 05/18/2019 12:26 AM
Try again MSI, this time without the chipset fan.
Try again MSI, this time without the chipset fan.
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#5670553 Posted on: 05/18/2019 02:26 AM
Maybe its the PCIe 4.0 controller, not sure what other "big" things are new. We might find out once its out.
Those fans are not there by choice. Heat needs to go somewhere. So far no X570 without a fan has been shown, so you are free to demand an alternate solution, but that area is not exactly one where they have a lot of space to put more cooler.
The only other possible option would be a heatpipe over to the VRM cooler, but if the CPU pulls a lot of power, especially if you try to OC, that might not be enough cooling to keep both cool.
These designs are already better then Colorful and Biostar which were leaked earlier, since at least on Colorful the fan would be fully obstructed by a big GPU, and partially on Biostar, while here the fan sits low enough to fully clear a GPU.
my question is, why is this fan required? yes it runs hot.. but why exactly? Will the x470 performs as good as the x570 when pared with the new line of CPUs? if yes, i would just wait for a better version of x570s as my experience with mobos that need a fan on the south bridge was always bad.
Maybe its the PCIe 4.0 controller, not sure what other "big" things are new. We might find out once its out.
Try again MSI, this time without the chipset fan.
Those fans are not there by choice. Heat needs to go somewhere. So far no X570 without a fan has been shown, so you are free to demand an alternate solution, but that area is not exactly one where they have a lot of space to put more cooler.
The only other possible option would be a heatpipe over to the VRM cooler, but if the CPU pulls a lot of power, especially if you try to OC, that might not be enough cooling to keep both cool.
These designs are already better then Colorful and Biostar which were leaked earlier, since at least on Colorful the fan would be fully obstructed by a big GPU, and partially on Biostar, while here the fan sits low enough to fully clear a GPU.
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#5670556 Posted on: 05/18/2019 02:48 AM
anyone else read AMD as and? I read the title as:
MSI X570 Gaming Pro Carbon and Plus for and Ryzen 3000 Leak
anyone else read AMD as and? I read the title as:
MSI X570 Gaming Pro Carbon and Plus for and Ryzen 3000 Leak
Got super excited for a second
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#5670588 Posted on: 05/18/2019 08:59 AM
I don't like that chipset active cooling. I thought those days are gone for good.
Small noisy fans annoy the hell out of me.
Big meh for me.
I don't like that chipset active cooling. I thought those days are gone for good.
Small noisy fans annoy the hell out of me.
Big meh for me.
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#5670589 Posted on: 05/18/2019 09:26 AM
Will wait for official releases and reviews.
And about nostalgia sake, anyone's remembers AMD socket 939 motherboards with Nvidia chipsets??
Asus, DFI and many more had fans cooling the chipset.
Will wait for official releases and reviews.
And about nostalgia sake, anyone's remembers AMD socket 939 motherboards with Nvidia chipsets??
Asus, DFI and many more had fans cooling the chipset.
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#5670594 Posted on: 05/18/2019 09:59 AM
MSI design is better since from the pictures the chipset fan is situated as lower as possible in order to not interfere with a big graphic card which is my opinion seems the main issue now with these boards.
MSI design is better since from the pictures the chipset fan is situated as lower as possible in order to not interfere with a big graphic card which is my opinion seems the main issue now with these boards.
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#5670598 Posted on: 05/18/2019 10:27 AM
I don't like that chipset active cooling. I thought those days are gone for good.
Small noisy fans annoy the hell out of me.
Big meh for me.
Yeah. My last memory of a chipset fan was replacing one with a passive cooling element many years ago. The fan had started to sound like a circular saw. It's kind of interesting how such a small thing can produce so much noise.
I don't like that chipset active cooling. I thought those days are gone for good.
Small noisy fans annoy the hell out of me.
Big meh for me.
Yeah. My last memory of a chipset fan was replacing one with a passive cooling element many years ago. The fan had started to sound like a circular saw. It's kind of interesting how such a small thing can produce so much noise.
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That pretty much confirms that X570 north/south bridge runs pretty hot. All X570's i've seen so far have fans on the mobo chipset.