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Microsoft does a 360, drops DRM and always on for Xbox One
It is now confirmed that Microsoft is lifting the always on and heft DRM restrictions of the XBox One. You could say that Microsoft made a 360 after all critique. Late last night Microsoft made a few statements regarding this matter, see after the break what is changing. This could be the biggest backtrack in gaming history.
Microsoft has now stated the following on their pages:
So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:
- An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.
- Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.
In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.
These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.
We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.
Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.
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#4621352 Posted on: 07/17/2013 07:18 PM
I head of people getting their 470 to over 900mhz on the core.
I'm only in a slightly better boat than you Arctic. Mine is really bad with voltage, I instantly get problems at 1.087. I stick with 750 mhz core 0.975 voltage. Pretty much my max without artifacting.
I head of people getting their 470 to over 900mhz on the core.
I'm only in a slightly better boat than you Arctic. Mine is really bad with voltage, I instantly get problems at 1.087. I stick with 750 mhz core 0.975 voltage. Pretty much my max without artifacting.
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#4621354 Posted on: 07/17/2013 07:19 PM
Hello fellas, I'm having some troubles overclocking my GTX 470. The stock speeds are 607 MHz core, 1215 MHz shader and 3348 MHz memory(http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/ENGTX470G2DI1280MD5). I'm aiming to 700 MHz on core and 3400 MHz on memory. I know memory doesn't increase fps in games that's why I almost haven't touch it and I know it does some issues sometimes. First I tried at stock voltage but it wasn't stable. I had a very, very weird problem. My CPU(not cores) went up to 110-120 degrees, that's what it was showing after 30-40 minutes playing World of Warcraft. When I opened RealTeamp the cores were 55-60 degrees. Then I tried to find someone with GTX 470 overclocked to 700 core to see what are his voltages because as far as I saw I should be able to run it on stock voltages. Later I bumped them up to 1.025(i think, not 100 percent sure). I am playing WoW without any problems but when I started Battlefield 3, it gave me BSOD with code 124 which must be vcore problem but it can't be. Later I bumped it up to 1.037v and everything was fine till I started BF3 again, this time the game stopped working, not BSOD or anything, just the game stopped working. I am using ASUS SmartDoctor to overclock it, it's very simple. How is possible to can't run 700 MHz core on 1.037v when other guys run their on stock voltage, even on higher frequency. I have done a lot of tests for CPU stability, it can't be low cpu voltage.
My rig:
CPU: Intel Q6600 3,6 Ghz 1.40v (9x400)
Mobo: ASUS P5Q3 Deluxe/WiFi-AP @n
GPU: ASUS GTX 470
RAM: Kingston HyperX 2x2 Kit 4GB 1600Mhz
Two HDDs: Main 250GB(forgot the model) and another Samsung 1TB
Fans: One on the side, one for exhaust, ASUS turbine cooling the chipset
Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 PWM with better fan
Mouse: A4Tech X7 X-705K
Keyboard: A4 Tech X7 G800MU
Monitor: ViewSonic VA1903wb (1440x900)
It's possible because every GPU is different. For GPU's, there really aren't any tricks to overclocking using the standard tools. You find the highest stable clock and voltage combination and that is what you have. Something else that can cause issues is using to many monitoring tools at the same time. BIOS overclocking is better than using software via Windows for the motherboard.
Hello fellas, I'm having some troubles overclocking my GTX 470. The stock speeds are 607 MHz core, 1215 MHz shader and 3348 MHz memory(http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/ENGTX470G2DI1280MD5). I'm aiming to 700 MHz on core and 3400 MHz on memory. I know memory doesn't increase fps in games that's why I almost haven't touch it and I know it does some issues sometimes. First I tried at stock voltage but it wasn't stable. I had a very, very weird problem. My CPU(not cores) went up to 110-120 degrees, that's what it was showing after 30-40 minutes playing World of Warcraft. When I opened RealTeamp the cores were 55-60 degrees. Then I tried to find someone with GTX 470 overclocked to 700 core to see what are his voltages because as far as I saw I should be able to run it on stock voltages. Later I bumped them up to 1.025(i think, not 100 percent sure). I am playing WoW without any problems but when I started Battlefield 3, it gave me BSOD with code 124 which must be vcore problem but it can't be. Later I bumped it up to 1.037v and everything was fine till I started BF3 again, this time the game stopped working, not BSOD or anything, just the game stopped working. I am using ASUS SmartDoctor to overclock it, it's very simple. How is possible to can't run 700 MHz core on 1.037v when other guys run their on stock voltage, even on higher frequency. I have done a lot of tests for CPU stability, it can't be low cpu voltage.
My rig:
CPU: Intel Q6600 3,6 Ghz 1.40v (9x400)
Mobo: ASUS P5Q3 Deluxe/WiFi-AP @n
GPU: ASUS GTX 470
RAM: Kingston HyperX 2x2 Kit 4GB 1600Mhz
Two HDDs: Main 250GB(forgot the model) and another Samsung 1TB
Fans: One on the side, one for exhaust, ASUS turbine cooling the chipset
Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 PWM with better fan
Mouse: A4Tech X7 X-705K
Keyboard: A4 Tech X7 G800MU
Monitor: ViewSonic VA1903wb (1440x900)
It's possible because every GPU is different. For GPU's, there really aren't any tricks to overclocking using the standard tools. You find the highest stable clock and voltage combination and that is what you have. Something else that can cause issues is using to many monitoring tools at the same time. BIOS overclocking is better than using software via Windows for the motherboard.
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#4621366 Posted on: 07/17/2013 07:33 PM
What makes you so sure it's not the CPU?
What makes you so sure it's not the CPU?
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#4621374 Posted on: 07/17/2013 07:47 PM
I head of people getting their 470 to over 900mhz on the core.
I'm only in a slightly better boat than you Arctic. Mine is really bad with voltage, I instantly get problems at 1.087. I stick with 750 mhz core 0.975 voltage. Pretty much my max without artifacting.
I wish I still had mine. Ran it at 915/4400 24/7 on air. Volts were 1.175. On cold days I could run 950ish at 1.2 volts. That card was beast, wish I still had it. Friend killed it when he was borrowing.
OP vid cards don't cause a 124 bsod. Sounds like you have a unstable system, ram/cpu
I head of people getting their 470 to over 900mhz on the core.
I'm only in a slightly better boat than you Arctic. Mine is really bad with voltage, I instantly get problems at 1.087. I stick with 750 mhz core 0.975 voltage. Pretty much my max without artifacting.
I wish I still had mine. Ran it at 915/4400 24/7 on air. Volts were 1.175. On cold days I could run 950ish at 1.2 volts. That card was beast, wish I still had it. Friend killed it when he was borrowing.
OP vid cards don't cause a 124 bsod. Sounds like you have a unstable system, ram/cpu
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Good info here for 470 OC
IIRC my old EVGA did 800MHz stable with 1.087v, it’s only running stock now as it’s in my son’s machine... but if needed for testing I can crank it back up.