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Intel To Increase Coffee Lake production - Uses New Fab
Coffee Lake processor availability has been poor, even now weeks after its launch. As to why it is so poor, Intel doesn't shed a word. However, they will increase Coffee lake production by using a newly opened fab. Starting December 15th the volume availability would be better.
The Core i7-8700K, i7-8700, i5-8600K and i5-8400 will then be produced at the Chinese Chengdu. Intel issued a product change notification in which it states that fact. Intel states there will be no differences between the CPUs in terms of quality.
Coffee Lake has been launched back in August, the first consumer mainstream parts with up to 6 cores have been an answer towards AMD A Ryzen series 5 and 6 processors. Check out our Coffee Lake 8700k review here and our 8600k review here.
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#5493942 Posted on: 11/20/2017 08:59 AM
Doubt the quality will be the same.
There is a reason why none of the german car makers are importing the cars (made in china) to germany,
even that labor is a large portion of the cost (to make a car).
Doubt the quality will be the same.
There is a reason why none of the german car makers are importing the cars (made in china) to germany,
even that labor is a large portion of the cost (to make a car).
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#5493947 Posted on: 11/20/2017 09:07 AM
Even Trump couldn't stop the giant Intel from moving production to China.
I have no idea what might be the human factor in manufacturing CPUs. If there are only a few humans needed to assure the quality, then there's no real reason why the quality would be different. If they pay a big enough salary, they can get the well-educated, talented Chinese engineers who are no worse than anywhere else in the world. But if it takes a lot of people and Intel is only planning to save money by paying low wages (it's a financial corporation, not a technology corporation, after all), it could be an entirely different story.
Even Trump couldn't stop the giant Intel from moving production to China.
I have no idea what might be the human factor in manufacturing CPUs. If there are only a few humans needed to assure the quality, then there's no real reason why the quality would be different. If they pay a big enough salary, they can get the well-educated, talented Chinese engineers who are no worse than anywhere else in the world. But if it takes a lot of people and Intel is only planning to save money by paying low wages (it's a financial corporation, not a technology corporation, after all), it could be an entirely different story.
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#5494043 Posted on: 11/20/2017 02:30 PM
It's way Intel can go about tax minimisation as well as selling the processors into their local market.
It's way Intel can go about tax minimisation as well as selling the processors into their local market.
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#5494046 Posted on: 11/20/2017 02:35 PM
If this brought down prices of their unlocked processors then I'm all for it, but I don't see that happening. For the i3, it's a $60 premium to have an unlocked processor. For the i5, it's a $100 premium to have an unlocked processor. That's just beyond greedy. I'm not trying to turn this into an AMD vs Intel discussion, but you can get an unlocked Ryzen and have the advantage of having an unlocked processor.
Don't know if it's the case but I heard if you have a locked Coffee Lake cpu you can't set a higher memory frequency even an XMP profile for your memory?
If this brought down prices of their unlocked processors then I'm all for it, but I don't see that happening. For the i3, it's a $60 premium to have an unlocked processor. For the i5, it's a $100 premium to have an unlocked processor. That's just beyond greedy. I'm not trying to turn this into an AMD vs Intel discussion, but you can get an unlocked Ryzen and have the advantage of having an unlocked processor.
Don't know if it's the case but I heard if you have a locked Coffee Lake cpu you can't set a higher memory frequency even an XMP profile for your memory?
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#5494088 Posted on: 11/20/2017 04:27 PM
Only reason to limit the memory speed in such a fashion is the same reason why they bin the locked and unlocked processors.
Only reason to limit the memory speed in such a fashion is the same reason why they bin the locked and unlocked processors.
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#5494089 Posted on: 11/20/2017 04:33 PM
If this brought down prices of their unlocked processors then I'm all for it, but I don't see that happening. For the i3, it's a $60 premium to have an unlocked processor. For the i5, it's a $100 premium to have an unlocked processor. That's just beyond greedy. I'm not trying to turn this into an AMD vs Intel discussion, but you can get an unlocked Ryzen and have the advantage of having an unlocked processor.
Don't know if it's the case but I heard if you have a locked Coffee Lake cpu you can't set a higher memory frequency even an XMP profile for your memory?
this may seem a bit unwieldy as an analogy, but i think it's apt -
Intel is taking an Airbus A380 strategy (clock speeds thus equivalent to passenger load - one giant hammer) while AMD is taking the Boeing Dreamliner strategy ( able to use regional airports, modular construction - lots of smaller hammers)...
right now Boeing has won the argument, it remains to be seen about AMD.
If this brought down prices of their unlocked processors then I'm all for it, but I don't see that happening. For the i3, it's a $60 premium to have an unlocked processor. For the i5, it's a $100 premium to have an unlocked processor. That's just beyond greedy. I'm not trying to turn this into an AMD vs Intel discussion, but you can get an unlocked Ryzen and have the advantage of having an unlocked processor.
Don't know if it's the case but I heard if you have a locked Coffee Lake cpu you can't set a higher memory frequency even an XMP profile for your memory?
this may seem a bit unwieldy as an analogy, but i think it's apt -
Intel is taking an Airbus A380 strategy (clock speeds thus equivalent to passenger load - one giant hammer) while AMD is taking the Boeing Dreamliner strategy ( able to use regional airports, modular construction - lots of smaller hammers)...
right now Boeing has won the argument, it remains to be seen about AMD.
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#5494232 Posted on: 11/21/2017 02:30 AM
Even Trump couldn't stop the giant Intel from moving production to China.
I have no idea what might be the human factor in manufacturing CPUs. If there are only a few humans needed to assure the quality, then there's no real reason why the quality would be different. If they pay a big enough salary, they can get the well-educated, talented Chinese engineers who are no worse than anywhere else in the world. But if it takes a lot of people and Intel is only planning to save money by paying low wages (it's a financial corporation, not a technology corporation, after all), it could be an entirely different story.
Its not that simple, you dont build FABs overnight, it takes years
Even Trump couldn't stop the giant Intel from moving production to China.
I have no idea what might be the human factor in manufacturing CPUs. If there are only a few humans needed to assure the quality, then there's no real reason why the quality would be different. If they pay a big enough salary, they can get the well-educated, talented Chinese engineers who are no worse than anywhere else in the world. But if it takes a lot of people and Intel is only planning to save money by paying low wages (it's a financial corporation, not a technology corporation, after all), it could be an entirely different story.
Its not that simple, you dont build FABs overnight, it takes years
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#5494252 Posted on: 11/21/2017 04:53 AM
yearS? doubt that. maybe one, and even if, china can throw ten times more ppl at it which will speed up the whole process a lot.
yearS? doubt that. maybe one, and even if, china can throw ten times more ppl at it which will speed up the whole process a lot.
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#5494265 Posted on: 11/21/2017 07:24 AM
finally out of pre-production I see, hopefully these new chips will oc even better than the earlier samples
finally out of pre-production I see, hopefully these new chips will oc even better than the earlier samples
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#5495160 Posted on: 11/24/2017 07:48 AM
My local Microcenter must be one of the luckiest retailers because almost every time ive checked, they've had these chips in stock. Right now they have the 8700, 8600k, and 8700k in stock.
My local Microcenter must be one of the luckiest retailers because almost every time ive checked, they've had these chips in stock. Right now they have the 8700, 8600k, and 8700k in stock.
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#5495168 Posted on: 11/24/2017 08:22 AM
I think its a political move because of 7xxx series inventory more than anything. You can still buy those CPU everywhere.
Also, who the heck would certify a new fab with a top end CPU product? That China fab must have be already producing something before Intel would let them have a go at the K series CPU.
The last thing I would worry about would be ASIC quality. If these fabbed cpus will OC the same, then thats a great sign of things to come. A lot of the web testing so far have been Engineering samples hitting high OC where as most production CPU never get that high.
I remember Haswell going up nearly to 5 GHZ but when production came out for the first few batchs, most were down at 4.4 to 4.5 GHZ. Its only at the end of the cycle that more, not most, were hitting over 4.7 + GHZ delidded.
So I would love to see a boxed retail unit tested to see how far those cpu will really go before buying.
I think its a political move because of 7xxx series inventory more than anything. You can still buy those CPU everywhere.
Also, who the heck would certify a new fab with a top end CPU product? That China fab must have be already producing something before Intel would let them have a go at the K series CPU.
The last thing I would worry about would be ASIC quality. If these fabbed cpus will OC the same, then thats a great sign of things to come. A lot of the web testing so far have been Engineering samples hitting high OC where as most production CPU never get that high.
I remember Haswell going up nearly to 5 GHZ but when production came out for the first few batchs, most were down at 4.4 to 4.5 GHZ. Its only at the end of the cycle that more, not most, were hitting over 4.7 + GHZ delidded.
So I would love to see a boxed retail unit tested to see how far those cpu will really go before buying.
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It's poor, because like most of Intels Products, when they are running behind (in this case AMD) they rush out paper launches.
Throughout Intels history, this is common practice. Anyone remember the 1Ghz Pentium?
Anyway, my thoughts, poor yields at the factory and extremely limited production, just to say, we have this.. look... we are honest people!