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Intel Starts Shipping Optane Memory Modules to Partners for Testing
Intel Optane and 3D NAND SSDs, coupled with Intel DIMMs based on 3D XPointTM technology will (according to them) enable cost-effective data center performance, transforming today's storage media pyramid. The hot and warm tiers will be expanded.
3D Xpoint memory technology aka optane is the successor to standard NAND flash memory. Intel will call this Storage series the Intel Optane SSD and it will be available in form factors like M.2/NGFF, SATA-Express, PCI-Express (card). They will makes use of the new NVMe protocol. An early prototype was already demonstrated at IDF and would offer up-to 5.5 times the throughput of NAND flash-based DC P3700 series SSDs, (engineering sample and thus early development). Compared to the queue depth of just 32 commands for AHCI NVMe offers command queue depth of a 65,535 commands.
Micron is the co-developer of 3D Xpoint so you may expect Crucial branded SSD drives on this technology as well. New information has been spotted (net necessarily exciting) as Intel will release two Optane Memory 8000p products based on the new technology at launch, a 16GB and 32GB 3D XPoint storage unit is planned based on M.2 2280 and 2241 form factors. The units would thus use PCI-E 3.0 with two lanes according to Taiwanese website Benchlife. The 32 GB model would reach 1600 MB/s on reads and 500 MB/s on writes whereas the 16GB model would reach 1400 MB/sec and 300 MB/sec. IOPS reads are 300K and 285K respectively with 120K and 70K on writes. To be honest if this is true, then the results do disappoint a little as even the NVMe based Samsung 960 Pro can already reach 3500 MB/sec and 2100 MB/sec on writes (we have a review on the Samsung 960 Pro 1TB next week btw).
Currently there is no information about the actual controller, for the consumer products you'll need a Kaby Lake processor and compatible chipset to be able to run these Optane Memory units. I don't know, these might be this first models, but somehow I guess we all expected way more from the prognosed performance ? Next to that the 16GB and 32GB volume sizes are simply way too small to be interesting on the consumer end side of things.
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#5386583 Posted on: 01/30/2017 03:07 PM
Huh? What is 70MB? And what is 700? I don't see "700" mentioned for IOPS or MB/s anywhere in this article.
We need to see suite type testing results of these products before making a judgment but I agree with that statement. Even if the actual real world performance matches or exceeds there is still a capacity roadblock here. These don't seem targeted at consumers at all so probably aren't even worth discussing for consumer purposes.
It does not matter tbh, 960 Pro can reach the whooping 70 or so mb in real world scenario (unless you fancy doing sequential reads to be impressed) and if octane bumps that to 700 even then it will be 10 times faster. Will wait and see...
Huh? What is 70MB? And what is 700? I don't see "700" mentioned for IOPS or MB/s anywhere in this article.
The 32 GB model would reach 1600 MB/s on reads and 500 MB/s on writes whereas the 16GB model would reach 1400 MB/sec and 300 MB/sec. IOPS reads are 300K and 285K respectively with 120K and 70K on writes. To be honest if this is true, then the results do disappoint a little
We need to see suite type testing results of these products before making a judgment but I agree with that statement. Even if the actual real world performance matches or exceeds there is still a capacity roadblock here. These don't seem targeted at consumers at all so probably aren't even worth discussing for consumer purposes.
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#5386601 Posted on: 01/30/2017 04:15 PM
Thing is, it is a technology demo, it should show what it is capable of. The 3D XPoint was marketed as nv ddr replacement, random access to each cell rather than block. This is what gives me hype. A typical SSD ranges in typical desktop load (4k RR) from about 30mb/s to 60-70 for the 960 pro, which is the king. And this is why in blind testing you can't distinguish between your 5 years old ssd and the hottest one in town. On theory, 3D XPoint is the next step after hdd-ssd and should allow for pretty much same speed no matter it is random or sequential, thus going over a gig/sec in every case, blowing all ssds out of the water. On theory... I'm dying to see the first random read test.
Thing is, it is a technology demo, it should show what it is capable of. The 3D XPoint was marketed as nv ddr replacement, random access to each cell rather than block. This is what gives me hype. A typical SSD ranges in typical desktop load (4k RR) from about 30mb/s to 60-70 for the 960 pro, which is the king. And this is why in blind testing you can't distinguish between your 5 years old ssd and the hottest one in town. On theory, 3D XPoint is the next step after hdd-ssd and should allow for pretty much same speed no matter it is random or sequential, thus going over a gig/sec in every case, blowing all ssds out of the water. On theory... I'm dying to see the first random read test.
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#5386613 Posted on: 01/30/2017 04:54 PM
in the article "for the consumer products you'll need a Kaby Lake processor and compatible chipset to be able to run these Optane Memory units. "
this make me curious...
while most pc in the world is intel, but intel planning to limit their product to their own system only?
if this true then AMD system cant use this except AMD buy license from intel which is very unlikely as the SSD itself seems kinda limited for enterprise rather end-user
in the article "for the consumer products you'll need a Kaby Lake processor and compatible chipset to be able to run these Optane Memory units. "
this make me curious...
while most pc in the world is intel, but intel planning to limit their product to their own system only?
if this true then AMD system cant use this except AMD buy license from intel which is very unlikely as the SSD itself seems kinda limited for enterprise rather end-user
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It does not matter tbh, 960 Pro can reach the whooping 70 or so mb in real world scenario (unless you fancy doing sequential reads to be impressed) and if octane bumps that to 700 even then it will be 10 times faster. Will wait and see...