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Guru3D.com » News » AMD Mantle could get you 20% more performance

AMD Mantle could get you 20% more performance

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 11/15/2013 09:06 AM | source: | 148 comment(s)
AMD Mantle could get you 20% more performance

Says Johan Andersson from DICE.  Andersson said creating a Mantle version of the Frostbite 3 engine took them about two months to complete. Mantle support will be added by an update in late December, nearly two months after the game's release. Jorjen Katsman of Nixxes, the firm porting Thief to the PC, added that AMD's API significantly reduces overhead. The Mantle API has just 8 percent overhead whereas DirectX 11 has an overhead of around 40 percent. Katsman says it's not unrealistic to receive 20 percent extra GPU performance in games with Mantle support.

As reported by tech report:

Andersson didn't bring up performance estimates, but other developers who discussed Mantle at APU13 did. Jorjen Katsman of Nixxes, the firm porting Thief to the PC, mentioned a reduction in API overhead from 40% with DirectX 11 to around 8% with Mantle. He added that it's "not unrealistic that you'd get 20% additional GPU performance" with Mantle. 

But the "pink elephant in the room," as he called it, is multi-vendor support. Andersson made it clear that, while it only supports GCN-based GPUs right now, Mantle provides enough abstraction to support other hardware—i.e. future AMD GPUs and competing offerings. In fact, Andersson said that most Mantle functionality can work on most modern GPUs out today. I presume he meant Nvidia ones, though Nvidia's name wasn't explicitly mentioned. In any event, he repeated multiple times that he'd like to see Mantle become a cross-vendor API supported on "all modern GPUs."

I've gleaned more details about Mantle, and I'll share those with you guys when I'm not scurrying between keynotes and meeting rooms. The sense I get from the developers AMD invited to APU13, though, is that Mantle yields considerable benefits in terms of development flexibility and performance, and it's worth implementing even in its current, vendor-locked state. Andersson wasn't the only developer to express a desire for multi-vendor support.

There's no telling yet whether Mantle will ever become a cross-vendor, cross-platform standard, or whether the future holds something different, such as a competing Nvidia API or a future version of DirectX with some of the same perks. One thing is clear, though: Mantle looks set to shake up the industry in a very real way.



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peshkohacka
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#4701884 Posted on: 11/15/2013 01:20 PM
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connos
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#4701891 Posted on: 11/15/2013 01:26 PM
Why we are all stack on fps? What about frame times Stuttering and smoothness. They clearly mention this in the presentation with the Deus Ex shader loading, stuttering example. They also said its not ment for every game.

One more thing, Johan said that the code is very close of what the ps4 code looks like. In ps4 we have 60 fps with 7870 like card and a 8 core cpu at 1.6. Make the math about our more modern systems. With my 7850 and 4 core 3.9 cpu a lot of the times i drop to 35.

The other key think they mention, you will not have to wait for a Driver update to make the game work. This is a pain in the ass for me with every new game. The developer has all the control for making the game work without the need of a new Driver.

Johan said on tweeter
there is no stepping back now, this is the way forward, change is coming :)


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#4701894 Posted on: 11/15/2013 01:29 PM
The other key think they mention, you will not have to wait for a Driver update to make the game work. This is a pain in the ass for me with every new game. The developer has all the control for making the game work without the need of a new Driver.


Is there truth to this ?

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#4701900 Posted on: 11/15/2013 01:34 PM
I would say 20% was prly a higher number than should have been stated....however I do hope it works well....however realistically id say itll be more around 5-10% depending on game title.

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#4701911 Posted on: 11/15/2013 01:52 PM
Really curious how is Nvidia gonna reply to Mantle. Gsync isn't gonna be the thing though it's a great idea that someone should have gotten years ago.


I think your underestimating G-sync. If it turns out to be as great as its supposed to be, then I certainly won't be bothering with ATI until (or if) they have it.

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