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Zen 3 processors with ten cores coming up?
An interesting observation was made by Guru3D editor and developer Yuri Bubliy, on his twitter account, he posted something interesting, 1usmusmentions Zen3 with 10 cores are a real option.
In Agesa version 1.0.8.1 support for processors (with ten cores) based on the Zen 3 architecture would be found. Ryzen 4000 based on Zen3 is expected to launch late this year. It would be interesting to see if it's a proc as the current design holds 8-cores per-die. In theory, it would be possible to have two CCDs with 5-cores, but everything in technology land always mathematically correct and din pairs and 5 sounds very odd. There's alway the option for more dies though.
Yury found more, a feature called "Curve Optimizer," will be introduced. This allows a more efficient boost algorithm, and hear me out now, that's per-core. The first processors with Zen 3 cores will be released at the end of this year. Processors without integrated GPU are codenamed, Vermeer. Whether AMD will actually release Ryzen 4000 processors with ten cores is unknown.
Yuri Bubliy is currently developing ClockTuner for Ryzen, a semi-automated application for retrieving the best performance out of CCX in Ryzen processors.
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#5827120 Posted on: 09/08/2020 10:05 AM
I'm hoping this makes their 8 core parts drop a tier so the 3600x would be 8 core instead of 6
right now they have always had cpus that make no sense, there is no reason to buy the 1700x or 1800 because it was the same as the 1700, same goes for 3700x vs the 3800x. I'm hoping they can segment a bit more like this so the x parts mean access to the high core rather than just a meaningless 200mhz speed bump, this also allows more product stack
4500 = 4
4500x = 6
4600 = 6
4600x = 8
4700 = 8
4700x = 10
4800 = 10
4800x = 12
4900 = 12
4900x = 16
4950 = 16
I'm hoping this makes their 8 core parts drop a tier so the 3600x would be 8 core instead of 6
right now they have always had cpus that make no sense, there is no reason to buy the 1700x or 1800 because it was the same as the 1700, same goes for 3700x vs the 3800x. I'm hoping they can segment a bit more like this so the x parts mean access to the high core rather than just a meaningless 200mhz speed bump, this also allows more product stack
4500 = 4
4500x = 6
4600 = 6
4600x = 8
4700 = 8
4700x = 10
4800 = 10
4800x = 12
4900 = 12
4900x = 16
4950 = 16
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#5827123 Posted on: 09/08/2020 10:17 AM
This is not known to be technical limitation. It is economical stupidity to use 4+6 configuration... that may as well be only reason behind.
It is economically better to use dies with 6 OK cores to form 6+6 or just 6 core CPUs. And then use 5+5 for 10 cores, and 4+4 for 8 cores if desired instead of just one 8-core die. (But we know how that behaves from 2+2 vs 4 already.)
They have to be even so it'll only be 5+5 not 4+6 for example for a 10 core part
This is not known to be technical limitation. It is economical stupidity to use 4+6 configuration... that may as well be only reason behind.
It is economically better to use dies with 6 OK cores to form 6+6 or just 6 core CPUs. And then use 5+5 for 10 cores, and 4+4 for 8 cores if desired instead of just one 8-core die. (But we know how that behaves from 2+2 vs 4 already.)
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#5827136 Posted on: 09/08/2020 11:03 AM
Can't wait for it to arrive and the fact that we still don't have an announcement and release date makes it even harder...
Can't wait for it to arrive and the fact that we still don't have an announcement and release date makes it even harder...
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#5827138 Posted on: 09/08/2020 11:12 AM
I'm hoping this makes their 8 core parts drop a tier so the 3600x would be 8 core instead of 6
right now they have always had cpus that make no sense, there is no reason to buy the 1700x or 1800 because it was the same as the 1700, same goes for 3700x vs the 3800x. I'm hoping they can segment a bit more like this so the x parts mean access to the high core rather than just a meaningless 200mhz speed bump, this also allows more product stack
4500 = 4
4500x = 6
4600 = 6
4600x = 8
4700 = 8
4700x = 10
4800 = 10
4800x = 12
4900 = 12
4900x = 16
4950 = 16
It would be amazing to have first ryzen 5 with an 8c/16t meaning i5 will have to fallow. We all win as users. Still, its not gonna happen until zen4 and ddr5.
I'm hoping this makes their 8 core parts drop a tier so the 3600x would be 8 core instead of 6
right now they have always had cpus that make no sense, there is no reason to buy the 1700x or 1800 because it was the same as the 1700, same goes for 3700x vs the 3800x. I'm hoping they can segment a bit more like this so the x parts mean access to the high core rather than just a meaningless 200mhz speed bump, this also allows more product stack
4500 = 4
4500x = 6
4600 = 6
4600x = 8
4700 = 8
4700x = 10
4800 = 10
4800x = 12
4900 = 12
4900x = 16
4950 = 16
It would be amazing to have first ryzen 5 with an 8c/16t meaning i5 will have to fallow. We all win as users. Still, its not gonna happen until zen4 and ddr5.
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They have to be even so it'll only be 5+5 not 4+6 for example for a 10 core part