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Zen 3-based Ryzen detailed, 16-core model with 4.6GHz boost and rumored 20% IPC increase
As you all know, ZEN3-based Ryzen processors should arrive later this year, according to a new leak, AMD is already testing at least three models, from which specifications now have surfaced.
A table of OPN info has leaked though Germany based Igors lab, these are interesting as with OPNs information such frequencies and core counts are listed. The slower model with 8 cores and 16 threads will have a base frequency of 3800MHz and boost at 4400MHz, while the faster 8-core model will have a base frequency of 4000MHz and boost at 4600MHz. Regarding the 16-core and 32-threads model, it will have a base frequency of 3700MHz and boost to 4600MHz.
AMD is testing the following engineering samples codenamed "Vermeer":
Name: Vermeer (VMR)
Family: 19h
Models: 20h-2Fh
CPUID: 0xa20f00
OPN 1: 100-000000063-07_46 / 40_N
OPN 2: 100-000000063-08_46 / 40_Y
OPN 3: 100-000000063-23_44 / 38_N
Revision: A0
Cores: 8
Threads: 16
OPN 1: 100-000000059-14_46 / 37_Y
OPN 2: 100-000000059-15_46 / 37_N
Revision: A0
Cores: 16
Threads: 32
One should realize that these likely are engineering samples, and with anything tagged ES, nothing is final. It will be interesting to see. Chatter on the web indicated an IPC increase as well, to 20%. Ryzen 4000 is expected to make a debut in September.
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#5790295 Posted on: 05/20/2020 11:43 AM
Threadripper prices skyrocketed as soon as Intel did not have answer on them.
I'm affraid same can happen to AM4 platform.
I wish I wasn't right.
I believe as you have mentioned the market share will be theirs main goal still.
Despite the concept that AMD is cheaper, they have been price matching Intel performance since Ryzen launched, once you consider the entire platform. They've pushed Intel to make improvements, but from a cost-to-performance standpoint they have very carefully been aligning themselves with what Intel has offered. That's only fair, they should make as much money as they can while driving the market forward.
The big difference is when the platform gets ready for the next gen and stock is being cleared and CPUs end up dropping 25% - that never happened with Intel, as they were more careful to choke supply chains in the last few months before a launch, maintaining their retail pricing.
Threadripper prices skyrocketed as soon as Intel did not have answer on them.
I'm affraid same can happen to AM4 platform.
I wish I wasn't right.
I believe as you have mentioned the market share will be theirs main goal still.
Despite the concept that AMD is cheaper, they have been price matching Intel performance since Ryzen launched, once you consider the entire platform. They've pushed Intel to make improvements, but from a cost-to-performance standpoint they have very carefully been aligning themselves with what Intel has offered. That's only fair, they should make as much money as they can while driving the market forward.
The big difference is when the platform gets ready for the next gen and stock is being cleared and CPUs end up dropping 25% - that never happened with Intel, as they were more careful to choke supply chains in the last few months before a launch, maintaining their retail pricing.
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#5790302 Posted on: 05/20/2020 12:09 PM
Define "skyrocketed". 2990WX had "$53" per core and 3960X "$58", while the W-3265 "$140".
And 3960X is faster than all of them.
So price wise is absolute bargain. And if you do not like TR4 platform, there is still the 3950X.....
It certainly is astounding just how much AMD has undercut Intel on this cost-per-core basis (and by how much Intel have had to cut pricing), and equally astounding just how much these blatant facts are so conveniently forgotten by a...certain predictable subset.
Define "skyrocketed". 2990WX had "$53" per core and 3960X "$58", while the W-3265 "$140".
And 3960X is faster than all of them.
So price wise is absolute bargain. And if you do not like TR4 platform, there is still the 3950X.....
It certainly is astounding just how much AMD has undercut Intel on this cost-per-core basis (and by how much Intel have had to cut pricing), and equally astounding just how much these blatant facts are so conveniently forgotten by a...certain predictable subset.
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#5790306 Posted on: 05/20/2020 12:28 PM
Despite the concept that AMD is cheaper, they have been price matching Intel performance since Ryzen launched, once you consider the entire platform. They've pushed Intel to make improvements, but from a cost-to-performance standpoint they have very carefully been aligning themselves with what Intel has offered. That's only fair, they should make as much money as they can while driving the market forward.
The big difference is when the platform gets ready for the next gen and stock is being cleared and CPUs end up dropping 25% - that never happened with Intel, as they were more careful to choke supply chains in the last few months before a launch, maintaining their retail pricing.
well B450 and zen 3000 is a cheap platform
compared to intel. You hear just about z390 on intel side, and the smaller chipset arrive so much later and with cheap motherboards, while you can find a lot of fine midrange on the amd platform. Forget x570 of course
Despite the concept that AMD is cheaper, they have been price matching Intel performance since Ryzen launched, once you consider the entire platform. They've pushed Intel to make improvements, but from a cost-to-performance standpoint they have very carefully been aligning themselves with what Intel has offered. That's only fair, they should make as much money as they can while driving the market forward.
The big difference is when the platform gets ready for the next gen and stock is being cleared and CPUs end up dropping 25% - that never happened with Intel, as they were more careful to choke supply chains in the last few months before a launch, maintaining their retail pricing.
well B450 and zen 3000 is a cheap platform
compared to intel. You hear just about z390 on intel side, and the smaller chipset arrive so much later and with cheap motherboards, while you can find a lot of fine midrange on the amd platform. Forget x570 of course
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#5790311 Posted on: 05/20/2020 12:36 PM
Zen 3 will be to me what 2500K was for 8 years. My 2600 seat is only provisory, warming it up for a 4000 CPU!
Zen 3 will be to me what 2500K was for 8 years. My 2600 seat is only provisory, warming it up for a 4000 CPU!
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Have none of you learned anything by now? AMD's product rumors are always too optimistic and embellished.