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Zen 3-based Ryzen detailed, 16-core model with 4.6GHz boost and rumored 20% IPC increase
As you all know, ZEN3-based Ryzen processors should arrive later this year, according to a new leak, AMD is already testing at least three models, from which specifications now have surfaced.
A table of OPN info has leaked though Germany based Igors lab, these are interesting as with OPNs information such frequencies and core counts are listed. The slower model with 8 cores and 16 threads will have a base frequency of 3800MHz and boost at 4400MHz, while the faster 8-core model will have a base frequency of 4000MHz and boost at 4600MHz. Regarding the 16-core and 32-threads model, it will have a base frequency of 3700MHz and boost to 4600MHz.
AMD is testing the following engineering samples codenamed "Vermeer":
Name: Vermeer (VMR)
Family: 19h
Models: 20h-2Fh
CPUID: 0xa20f00
OPN 1: 100-000000063-07_46 / 40_N
OPN 2: 100-000000063-08_46 / 40_Y
OPN 3: 100-000000063-23_44 / 38_N
Revision: A0
Cores: 8
Threads: 16
OPN 1: 100-000000059-14_46 / 37_Y
OPN 2: 100-000000059-15_46 / 37_N
Revision: A0
Cores: 16
Threads: 32
One should realize that these likely are engineering samples, and with anything tagged ES, nothing is final. It will be interesting to see. Chatter on the web indicated an IPC increase as well, to 20%. Ryzen 4000 is expected to make a debut in September.
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#5791068 Posted on: 05/21/2020 11:34 PM
now that intel is matching AMD's lineup core/thread offering and AMD still wants that sweet marketshare maybe they switch things up again
r3 = 6c
r5 = 8c
r7 = 12c
r9 = 16c
thats at least what I would do, I would prefer to have intel nailed to the wall while I can keep it up, every dollar they lose to me in sales means 1 less dollar they will send to R&D to bomb me in a couple years, and marketshare is hugely important, intel's gaming & old apps lead is probably in large parts thanks to intel being the target platform for software development for the last decade, if it now becomes AMD, it really starts looking like an uphill battle for intel
and thats okey for everyone, intel has nand flash & network equipment to fall back on, AMD has what else? graphics division? lol...
Never ever count Intel out. But I strongly agree with the Zen 3 we will see that exact core setup. With 2c and 4c CPU's becoming either obsolete or only being used for the entry level/office level Athlon series using something like VEGA 3 or 8 iGPU.
Intel clearly have the clockspeed advantage, AMD has core count advantage. The clockspeed is so large it gets that 10c/20t Intel chip close to the 12c/24t AMD chip.
AMD needs to counter this, its obvious now they are struggling with higher clock speeds on these chips. That could be a number of factors, it could be the architecture, the silicon, the process node, or many many other limitations. So efficiency and IPC is where AMD can claw back the crown. Then throw in high core counts moving down the product line and you have a winner.
Software development favors the most common platform, which is Intel. That's not going to change anytime soon. A lot of compilers also contain Intel specific optimizations.....and little to nothing that benefits AMD.
I see this changing in the coming years. Unless AMD seriously screw up. Many many companies are currently in the process of using AMD for their servers and cloud solutions. Nvidia just showed off AMD Epyc for the A100, Google are using AMD for their cloud, and Amazon are also using them too. I am sure Microsoft is also deploying AMD in their Azure server cluster too. Not to forget Sony and Microsoft using ALL AMD again in the new consoles, and the rumours Samsung will be using AMD in their new phones for an insane graphics performance increase.
It always happens from the top down. Servers get the new good stuff and then over time it filters down to the mainstream once it become more viable from a cost perspective. With all these companies (and there are more) moving over to AMD they are going to need to implement AMD optimisations for the software. Which will eventually filter down to the mainstream. We are already seeing it, with some games using that cool Ryzen/Radeon logo at startup.
Will this hurt Intel, maybe financially a little but it won't remove their software optimisations that already exist.
now that intel is matching AMD's lineup core/thread offering and AMD still wants that sweet marketshare maybe they switch things up again
r3 = 6c
r5 = 8c
r7 = 12c
r9 = 16c
thats at least what I would do, I would prefer to have intel nailed to the wall while I can keep it up, every dollar they lose to me in sales means 1 less dollar they will send to R&D to bomb me in a couple years, and marketshare is hugely important, intel's gaming & old apps lead is probably in large parts thanks to intel being the target platform for software development for the last decade, if it now becomes AMD, it really starts looking like an uphill battle for intel
and thats okey for everyone, intel has nand flash & network equipment to fall back on, AMD has what else? graphics division? lol...
Never ever count Intel out. But I strongly agree with the Zen 3 we will see that exact core setup. With 2c and 4c CPU's becoming either obsolete or only being used for the entry level/office level Athlon series using something like VEGA 3 or 8 iGPU.
Intel clearly have the clockspeed advantage, AMD has core count advantage. The clockspeed is so large it gets that 10c/20t Intel chip close to the 12c/24t AMD chip.
AMD needs to counter this, its obvious now they are struggling with higher clock speeds on these chips. That could be a number of factors, it could be the architecture, the silicon, the process node, or many many other limitations. So efficiency and IPC is where AMD can claw back the crown. Then throw in high core counts moving down the product line and you have a winner.
Software development favors the most common platform, which is Intel. That's not going to change anytime soon. A lot of compilers also contain Intel specific optimizations.....and little to nothing that benefits AMD.
I see this changing in the coming years. Unless AMD seriously screw up. Many many companies are currently in the process of using AMD for their servers and cloud solutions. Nvidia just showed off AMD Epyc for the A100, Google are using AMD for their cloud, and Amazon are also using them too. I am sure Microsoft is also deploying AMD in their Azure server cluster too. Not to forget Sony and Microsoft using ALL AMD again in the new consoles, and the rumours Samsung will be using AMD in their new phones for an insane graphics performance increase.
It always happens from the top down. Servers get the new good stuff and then over time it filters down to the mainstream once it become more viable from a cost perspective. With all these companies (and there are more) moving over to AMD they are going to need to implement AMD optimisations for the software. Which will eventually filter down to the mainstream. We are already seeing it, with some games using that cool Ryzen/Radeon logo at startup.
Will this hurt Intel, maybe financially a little but it won't remove their software optimisations that already exist.
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#5791078 Posted on: 05/22/2020 12:01 AM
software development is moving towards multi threading, which coincidentally favors AMD, hopefully they increase core count for zen 3 so that we continue to see that trend
Software development favors the most common platform, which is Intel. That's not going to change anytime soon. A lot of compilers also contain Intel specific optimizations.....and little to nothing that benefits AMD.
software development is moving towards multi threading, which coincidentally favors AMD, hopefully they increase core count for zen 3 so that we continue to see that trend
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#5791353 Posted on: 05/22/2020 04:42 PM
For me the jump between 990x intel first gen and 2700x wasn't enormous.
The 990x is on a sata2 ssd and the 2700x on a fast nvme, i think all the difference i see is disk based.
That's exactly what I meant. When going from i7 970 to 3900X based system, the disks I used were exactly the same - so Windows is as slow as ever constantly reading/writing its stupid caching mechanisms. I'm sure if I upgraded my old SATA based Sandisc 480G SSD to some blazing fast NVME based SATA4 SSD I would notice Windows 10 being a bit nippier, but as it is Windows is more of less programmed using "wait() timers" so things generally happen at same speed no matter what.
Obviously any calculation or CPU intensive tasks are much faster, I'm talking about day to day usage of normal non-cpu intensive tasks.
For me the jump between 990x intel first gen and 2700x wasn't enormous.
The 990x is on a sata2 ssd and the 2700x on a fast nvme, i think all the difference i see is disk based.
That's exactly what I meant. When going from i7 970 to 3900X based system, the disks I used were exactly the same - so Windows is as slow as ever constantly reading/writing its stupid caching mechanisms. I'm sure if I upgraded my old SATA based Sandisc 480G SSD to some blazing fast NVME based SATA4 SSD I would notice Windows 10 being a bit nippier, but as it is Windows is more of less programmed using "wait() timers" so things generally happen at same speed no matter what.
Obviously any calculation or CPU intensive tasks are much faster, I'm talking about day to day usage of normal non-cpu intensive tasks.
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If true, I'd gladly jump on that train. Already waiting for Ryzen 4K CPUs, and I can't say I've waited for anything AMD had in a long time.