Z390 chipset now rumored to get rebranded from Z370

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 06/25/2018 09:35 AM | source: | 31 comment(s)

From the looks of it, that new 8-core Coffee lake CPU, might work fine on the Z370 chipset. So Intel, while still releasing Z390, might simply be rebranding the Z370 and allow motherboard manufacturers to pair some 3rd party controllers with it for more features.

Intel on its website recently published a page on the Z390 chipset (by mistake), including a chipset block diagram showing all connections. Z390 will support all Coffee Lake generation desktop processors but would also be compatible for the next-generation. The new rumor is that the Z390 chipset would remain the same as the Z370 chipset, manufacturers who want to offer the support that the chipset originally promised, will have to revert and do this in a more traditional way: with external controllers such as those from Asmedia, reports benchlife.

Z390 has been discussed a lot, it should be a chipset intended for 8-core Coffee Lake CPUs, but these are not expected to launch anytime soon. Z390 will get an LGA1151 socket using the traditional DMI 3.0 chipset-bus (which basically is an x4 PCIe link lane up/downlink. Similar to the Z370 chipset, it'll have 24 PCI-Express gen 3.0 lanes. Also similar is storage at six SATA 6 Gbps ports with AHCI and RAID support; and up to three 32 Gbps M.2/U.2 connectors. LAN remains the same as well. 1 GbE, Intel recommends their Wireless-AC 9560 card for the motherboard manufacturers to pair this chipset with for 802.11ac and Bluetooth 5.

Above Intel Z390 as leaked earlier at Intel

Above (for comparison) Z370 - the differences really one are USB 3.1 gen2 and Intel Wireless-AC (CNVi)

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Venix
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#5560123 Posted on: 06/25/2018 10:18 AM

Oh so ...whats the point of z390? oO makes me wonder if after this info intel will still lock their 8 cores on it or will allow bios updates for their Z370

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#5560146 Posted on: 06/25/2018 12:37 PM

It's just in case you would like to throw more $$$ Intel's way.

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#5560150 Posted on: 06/25/2018 12:50 PM

Why does this not surprise me? Because of course the 8-core Coffee Lake won't be compatible with Z370...

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#5560151 Posted on: 06/25/2018 12:51 PM

That's just a yellow press. Likely AMD-paid fake news again. Z390 will have new USB and CNVi controllers.

It's just in case you would like to throw more $$$ Intel's way.

Speaking of AMD X470?

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#5560153 Posted on: 06/25/2018 12:58 PM

Likely AMD-paid fake news again.

This did happened before? do you have any link/source?

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#5560165 Posted on: 06/25/2018 02:11 PM

This did happened before? do you have any link/source?

That comment of his was hilarious.

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#5560177 Posted on: 06/25/2018 03:37 PM

I highly doubt Intel would be dumb enough to release a new chipset that is required by these 8-core CPUs - it kind of defeats the purpose of using socket 1151. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Z390 boards will be more optimized for the 8-cores (such as having better VRMs). I'm sure with a BIOS update, you could run these 8-cores on lower-end chipsets.

Intel has already caused enough complication by breaking backward compatibility with the 300 series, so having a secondary layer of broken compatibility just so they compete with AMD doesn't bode well for them. If these CPUs were to require Z390, Intel might as well have just made the 7820X more affordable and advertise it more. Frankly, the 7820X will probably be better than whatever the 1151 options will be, anyway, and it is likely going to cost about the same.

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#5560189 Posted on: 06/25/2018 03:49 PM

Frankly, the 7820X will probably be better than whatever the 1151 options will be, anyway, and it is likely going to cost about the same.

Actually I wouldn't be so sure about that. The things the 7820X has going for it is more PCIe lanes and quad-channel memory, but being a down-scaled model of a bigger die is not "ideal". The mesh architecture on the SKL-X chips is good for scaling the chip up to more cores and steady performance, but on an 8-core the old ring bus the consumer chips use is probably better for performance - even more so on peak ST performance.

Coffee Lake-S also uses 14+++, while SKL-X only used 14++, which could result in better thermal/OC behavior as well, and yield us higher base clocks/built-in turbo bins.

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#5560212 Posted on: 06/25/2018 04:57 PM

So now when new customer enters PC store, the seller should explain him about LGA1151/LGA1151v2, H310/H370/B360/Z370/Z390-OMG!!!!!!!
I can't understand why MB manufactures accept this, look how many SKU's they must handle, too much SKU's is very bad for a business.
P.S : I think Intel gonna add H380 too for the 8 core-lol.

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#5560218 Posted on: 06/25/2018 05:15 PM

Likely AMD-paid fake news again.

I hope that's irony.

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#5560288 Posted on: 06/25/2018 10:52 PM

This did happened before? do you have any link/source?

Fake propaganda about GPP.

I hope that's irony.

Why would it be? It's an upgraded mainstream chipset for 300 series, yet we keep see AMD fanboy trolling about new sockets, rebrands etc.

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#5560289 Posted on: 06/25/2018 10:54 PM

LGA1151/LGA1151v2, H310/H370/B360/Z370/Z390-OMG!!!!!!!

Again and again. AMD does all the same.

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#5560297 Posted on: 06/25/2018 11:43 PM

@coth seems to be oblivious to the past and present, claiming things that aren't true as though they are fact, and claiming that x370 to x470, simply two different chipsets with the same compatibility with at current 2 generations of CPUs (yes, the x470 has additional improvements and allows the 2nd generation of ryzen to perform better, but again, does not prevent you from using first generation or 2nd generation on either the 300 or 400 series chipsets) is somehow the same as Intel changing sockets every single year, or, if they don't change sockets, simply disallowing people to use new processors in old boards, or old processors in new boards.....

Lots of delusion going on here.

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#5560298 Posted on: 06/25/2018 11:44 PM

Why would it be? It's an upgraded mainstream chipset for 300 series, yet we keep see AMD fanboy trolling about new sockets, rebrands etc.
I find it quite ironical that you throw the term "AMD fanboys" around when you're nothing short of Nvidia fanboy yourself.
I guess I will start filling the ignore list with mentally unstable people and trolls again.

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#5560331 Posted on: 06/26/2018 07:47 AM

Intel changing sockets every single year, or, if they don't change sockets

That's just a pure lie. Intel was changing socket every new architecture, same as AMD, with CF-S being an only exception, as socket and chipset was being made to be Ice Lake ready that eventually got delayed. AMD had same exceptions of a new socket in the middle of architectural iteration just recently - Socket FM2+.

I find it quite ironical that you throw the term "AMD fanboys" around when you're nothing short of Nvidia fanboy yourself.

And I didn't say a word about Nvidia. Looks like for you it's easier to mark and blame people than accept facts. You probably wanted to mark me as Intel fanboy, which, again, would be wrong. I've had a lot of AMD products through my life. And having right now.

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