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Z370 Motherboard Tested With Kaby Lake Proc - Did Not Pass Post Stage
So as you guys know, Coffee lake processors are around the corner and you will need a new motherboard for that, one with the Z370 chipset. The Socket physically looks and seems to be the same, LGA 1151. As it seems only Coffee Lake procs will work on it, and not 7th Gen Kaby lake.
Dutch website hardware info actually put it to the test, they took at Z370 motherboard and dropped a Celeron G3930 processor on it. The processor is pin compatible, the system nearly booted, yet at in the self-test stages at VGA detection the boards keep restarting and resetting.
Now the conclusion from them is that the procs are not compatible, however if imho if the Celeron G3930 passes most tests in the BIOS post stage and simply reset at the VGA detection, well personally I tend to believe that it MIGHT be possible to get older procs compatible with new BIOS updates (if Intel allows it). I mean VGA is the last detection stage, ergo the CPU and memory at that stage already have cleared to OK status.
Time will tell ...
Photos and prices of MSI Z370 motherboards leak - 09/14/2017 07:57 PM
Photos of MSI Z370 motherboards for Intel Coffee Lake processors have surfaced on the web. It looks like MSI will release no less than nine different Z370 motherboards. ...
Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Motherboard Line and Specs Also Surface - Quad Channel? - 09/11/2017 08:36 AM
Photos of a series Gigabyte Aorus Z370 motherboards for Intel Coffee Lake processors have leaked on-line. Coffee lake is the 8th gen Desktop processor series that will support up-to 6 core processors...
ASRock Z370 motherboards for Intel Coffee Lake CPUs Surface - 09/06/2017 03:34 PM
Photos of a series ASRock Z370 motherboards for Intel Coffee Lake processors have leaked on-line. Coffee lake is the 8th gen Desktop processor series that will support up-to 6 core processors....
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#5473521 Posted on: 09/20/2017 06:02 AM
surprises me that it gets to a post code at all, i wouldn't be surprised if its lacking the correct microcode, testing a cpu with a fused off igpu may reveal more if it gets past that point in the post.
surprises me that it gets to a post code at all, i wouldn't be surprised if its lacking the correct microcode, testing a cpu with a fused off igpu may reveal more if it gets past that point in the post.
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#5473858 Posted on: 09/21/2017 05:00 AM
People just need to get used to the fact that if you're buying a new Intel processor, you're buying a new motherboard too. It's been this way for like 10+ years and still people complain like this policy just happened.
Do I wish I could use my 5 year old CPU in a new motherboard? Sure the possibility would be nice, but TBH by that time I want the new features the chipset has and the new connectors the MB has just as much as I care about the new CPU. I don't upgrade any component ever year, GPUs maybe every 2-3, everything else until it dies. The CPU/Mobo/RAM gets a refresh every 5+ years. So yeah, I've never really been hit by the "omg I wish I could lug this CPU into the future" wish, and I've been building computers for 20 years. Hell it's just been in the past 7-10 years that CPU upgrades stopped being so noticeable (around the same time that Intel has been using the "new CPU, new mobo" rule).
Also people keep saying t hat there's "no difference" between generations but there are. Kabylake has native HDCP 2.2 decode and USB 3.1 which Skylake did not (required Alpine Ridge controller) . I can't remember off the top of my head what Broadwell > Skylake was but there were several changes. Haswell > Broadwell was again very similar but I think one or two minor tweaks (and these had inter-compatibility I believe). Can Intel make a design so that minor chipset upgrades don't break compatibility? Probably, but they're not doing it and t hey're likely not going to.
Again I wish Intel gave us the flexibility of an eternally compatible CPU/mobo would provide, but they don't. Tick-tock started in 2006...11 years ago...you haven't been able to carry CPU's forward from Intel for over a decade. Stop the never ending chorus ?
People just need to get used to the fact that if you're buying a new Intel processor, you're buying a new motherboard too. It's been this way for like 10+ years and still people complain like this policy just happened.
Do I wish I could use my 5 year old CPU in a new motherboard? Sure the possibility would be nice, but TBH by that time I want the new features the chipset has and the new connectors the MB has just as much as I care about the new CPU. I don't upgrade any component ever year, GPUs maybe every 2-3, everything else until it dies. The CPU/Mobo/RAM gets a refresh every 5+ years. So yeah, I've never really been hit by the "omg I wish I could lug this CPU into the future" wish, and I've been building computers for 20 years. Hell it's just been in the past 7-10 years that CPU upgrades stopped being so noticeable (around the same time that Intel has been using the "new CPU, new mobo" rule).
Also people keep saying t hat there's "no difference" between generations but there are. Kabylake has native HDCP 2.2 decode and USB 3.1 which Skylake did not (required Alpine Ridge controller) . I can't remember off the top of my head what Broadwell > Skylake was but there were several changes. Haswell > Broadwell was again very similar but I think one or two minor tweaks (and these had inter-compatibility I believe). Can Intel make a design so that minor chipset upgrades don't break compatibility? Probably, but they're not doing it and t hey're likely not going to.
Again I wish Intel gave us the flexibility of an eternally compatible CPU/mobo would provide, but they don't. Tick-tock started in 2006...11 years ago...you haven't been able to carry CPU's forward from Intel for over a decade. Stop the never ending chorus ?
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#5474078 Posted on: 09/21/2017 04:43 PM
One issue with keeping sockets/compatibility with old/new is you get what happened with AM3.
Very bad CPUs like bulldozer, it might have been better if they redesigned a new socket/chipset.
I certainly don't think keeping a half dozen generations of CPUs on the same socket; limits them in so many ways.
One issue with keeping sockets/compatibility with old/new is you get what happened with AM3.
Very bad CPUs like bulldozer, it might have been better if they redesigned a new socket/chipset.
I certainly don't think keeping a half dozen generations of CPUs on the same socket; limits them in so many ways.
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#5474086 Posted on: 09/21/2017 04:50 PM
One issue with keeping sockets/compatibility with old/new is you get what happened with AM3.
Very bad CPUs like bulldozer, it might have been better if they redesigned a new socket/chipset.
I disagree. Socket FM1 obviously was different and revolved around the same CPU architecture, and that was still slow. Bulldozer was bad because it was an architecture designed for a world where software was written to be highly parallel with short pipelines; it was an unrealistic expectation and had poor foresight. I am sure there was some performance loss by retaining AM3, but remember, Bulldozer's IPC was significantly worse than its predecessor, despite being a completely new architecture. Surely, the socket couldn't hamper performance that bad.
Though, now I'm a bit curious how a FX-4100 would compare to a similarly-clocked FM1 APU with the IGP disabled. That could be a good way to measure how much performance was really lost due to retaining the aging AM3 socket.
One issue with keeping sockets/compatibility with old/new is you get what happened with AM3.
Very bad CPUs like bulldozer, it might have been better if they redesigned a new socket/chipset.
I disagree. Socket FM1 obviously was different and revolved around the same CPU architecture, and that was still slow. Bulldozer was bad because it was an architecture designed for a world where software was written to be highly parallel with short pipelines; it was an unrealistic expectation and had poor foresight. I am sure there was some performance loss by retaining AM3, but remember, Bulldozer's IPC was significantly worse than its predecessor, despite being a completely new architecture. Surely, the socket couldn't hamper performance that bad.
Though, now I'm a bit curious how a FX-4100 would compare to a similarly-clocked FM1 APU with the IGP disabled. That could be a good way to measure how much performance was really lost due to retaining the aging AM3 socket.
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Problem is with the chinese market. They are not buying motherboards, sales are terrible for ASUS, Gigabyte and others............so, what Intel is doing is helping his partners to get more sales somehow (and screwing customers).
Like someone said before, is like we are buying new consoles every couple of years. At this point they can solder the CPU and 32Gb of RAM into a motherboard and sell it in a combo. It´s practically the same.