Windows 8.1 start buttons leaks, looks familiar

#4611457 Posted on: 06/04/2013 07:35 PM

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I'm still happily using windows 8 desktop and still feels quicker than win7 did on my laptop ... Just sayin.

The taskbar mirrored on both screens is a feature I wanted a few years back... I love the task bar grouping and everything.(as with win7)


Quoting something from last page but ...

I find this interesting, my last Vista ultimate installation on my E8500 build I had for 3 and 1/2 years before I upgraded my system and loaded win7. Now a year in and I don't have any reason to reinstall my system for another 2.5 - 3 years when I have reason to upgrade it.

I don't understand why people reload their OS so often, I've seen it in my company too, a lot of people just junking up their OS's and turning them into slosh ... I have no idea how they do it because I didn't even have it happen on VISTA!

Habit, that and XP and lower benefited from it cause they age show up in there getting slow and slower, more then newer OS, So most people do it out of habit, others just like to know there is no junk in the os.

Either way I sticking with Win7 for the foreseeable future. No reason to change to win8. That and I dont like like much like I didnt like Vista, That never touch one personal computers either after initial testing and haveing to deal with it on friends and family computers. Which resulted in me say it will never be on personal computers, Win8 same deal If i want a OS that looks and feels like it belongs on phone I would bought a phone.

#4611463 Posted on: 06/04/2013 07:41 PM

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"Wanker" all you want. That article is bull**** and it's exactly what I was referring too when I said "inaccurate trash" and then you go and post it anyway. It was dismissed when it was published and yet people who clearly don't understand math keep posting it as if it's some type of ultimate weapon against Windows 8.

And no, you don't need to be a power user to do all that, it isn't complicated or difficult to figure it out. My point is no one does it. I don't know a single person out of the nearly 200+ people at my company that I support that actually customizes anything. And I'm not saying they shouldn't have those options to customize, they should for people that want it. What I'm saying is that its definitely not effecting sales of Windows 8.

The majority of people, vocal ones, are hating Windows 8 because everyone else is saying they hate it. 99% of those people haven't even tried it. Hell one person here, who I won't name, criticized the hell out of it when it first launched; then recently asked an extremely stupid question about the functionality of it's interface. A question that could have been answered by simply googling Windows 8 and looking at a screenshot of Metro. Which to me means not only was he bashing it without ever using it, but he never even seen a screenshot of the metro start page.

Does Windows 8 have numerous problems? Of course, I'll be the first to admit that I want to see things changed about it. But the outspoken backlash by people who call themselves enthusiasts either here, or on other tech forums, is nothing but a sham. It reeks of whiny bull**** and negativism.

Fine, I obviously can't prove or disprove anything like that. But it's totally believable. Now, it wasn't that long ago that netbooks were introduced, and the common person who got an eeepc during that time almost universally returned it. Not because they hate Linux, and not even because the are all Windows fanboys and fangirls, only because it was unfamiliar and confusing. - Think you see where I am going with this; and of course its the root of the problem when MS defenders come out and say "People need to change, I got used to it other people are so stupid, blah blah". You don't have to cater to unwillingness to change, or ignorance. Just concede that some change is bad. Change for the sake of change is a really bad idea. Experiments in change are fun, but not when you force your crappy ideas down other peoples throats.

If you think the scenario of person buys new PC with Windows 8 on it and calls up their tech friends because they are frustrated and want a downgrade doesn't happen because people where you work don't give a crap, then you are crazy.

The frustration I get out of it is how ironically simple it would have been to make the MetroUI a separate OS for touch devices on X86 CPUs (ideally) or just do what they are doing now, and then do what they have always done and make things simply optional. I say ironically because it seems so much more difficult to -not- do that, it's like to me they want to be more like Apple (because where Linux failed with the netbook, Apple has gotten away with strong-arming people for a long long time).
Apple's mentality when it comes to this is, Apple is right, people don't know what they want. A more smart Microsoft would be, the customer is always right.

TL;DR- If you don't want to read this, don't. I like to debate and ramble.

#4611475 Posted on: 06/04/2013 07:57 PM

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Fine, I obviously can't prove or disprove anything like that. But it's totally believable. Now, it wasn't that long ago that netbooks were introduced, and the common person who got an eeepc during that time almost universally returned it. Not because they hate Linux, and not even because the are all Windows fanboys and fangirls, only because it was unfamiliar and confusing. - Think you see where I am going with this; and of course its the root of the problem when MS defenders come out and say "People need to change, I got used to it other people are so stupid, blah blah". You don't have to cater to unwillingness to change, or ignorance. Just concede that some change is bad. Change for the sake of change is a really bad idea. Experiments in change are fun, but not when you force your crappy ideas down other peoples throats.

If you think the scenario of person buys new PC with Windows 8 on it and calls up their tech friends because they are frustrated and want a downgrade doesn't happen because people where you work don't give a crap, then you are crazy.

The frustration I get out of it is how ironically simple it would have been to make the MetroUI a separate OS for touch devices on X86 CPUs (ideally) or just do what they are doing now, and then do what they have always done and make things simply optional. I say ironically because it seems so much more difficult to -not- do that, it's like to me they want to be more like Apple (because where Linux failed with the netbook, Apple has gotten away with strong-arming people for a long long time).
Apple's mentality when it comes to this is, Apple is right, people don't know what they want. A more smart Microsoft would be, the customer is always right.

TL;DR- If you don't want to read this, don't. I like to debate and ramble.

This what MS dont get or dont care. I go with both. If Business dont want to adopt Win8 over Win7 the OS is doomed, there are still many Company that use XP, And I willing to bet they will go to Win7 Over Win8 just so they dont have to deal with have to retrain people to relearn things in the OS that didnt need to be changed to begin with.

Case of MS wanting to Make a universal OS for PC/Laptop/Netbook/Phones/Tablets and getting burned for it. Seeing there are alot "Universal" products out there that no where as good as the product made "Specifically" for it.

And alot people here are all about change apparently I all for change but not when is FORCED Options are where its at. Much like UAC was really great change for security for people that know little about the OS. I personally Hate it and have it disabled, but then I know how to keep my PC secure compared to the people that should have UAC on. Point being we should have the OPTION to not be told you have no choice.