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Windows 7 Market Share on the Rise again at Steam
According to the latest data serving from Steam's hardware survey report for May 2017, Windows 10 has a steady base of 50.01% of the pie. 49.05% use the 64-bit version of the OS and 0.96% gamers which utilize the 32-bit version.
Compared to the April report this is 1.06 percentage lower compared to the statistics provided in the April 2017 report. When you peek at Windows 7, it is climbing upwards to 36.75% of surveyed gamers. And 1% is huge when you look at the total install base. Previously that was 35.42% btw. It is an interesting observation, as it really should be the other way around.
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#5438635 Posted on: 06/02/2017 08:48 PM
The steam hardware survey was intended to give developers general insight into hardware trends to target optimizations. You don't need a large sampling size for that, let alone what you're advocating - sampling every single computer.
Explain to me how it is supposed to give developers any insight at all when the information isn't even remotely reliable?
For all i know my 6 year old PC that my other steam account was first put on there is still listed as a "result" since its never done the survey since then.
It doesn't do anything for developers other then to affirm "Oh hey, they do have hardware" which should be implied in the first place if they are buying your game.......
If i, as a developer, do not know what hardware people are on more often then not, then what good is the information? If the information i am being told is telling me that at one time or another, yesterday, maybe 2 years ago, maybe 10 years ago, that these systems existed, how does that help? I already knew those systems existed, and i already knew people used them, but how does that help me, now, understand what people are using, today?
It doesn't.
The steam hardware survey was intended to give developers general insight into hardware trends to target optimizations. You don't need a large sampling size for that, let alone what you're advocating - sampling every single computer.
Explain to me how it is supposed to give developers any insight at all when the information isn't even remotely reliable?
For all i know my 6 year old PC that my other steam account was first put on there is still listed as a "result" since its never done the survey since then.
It doesn't do anything for developers other then to affirm "Oh hey, they do have hardware" which should be implied in the first place if they are buying your game.......
If i, as a developer, do not know what hardware people are on more often then not, then what good is the information? If the information i am being told is telling me that at one time or another, yesterday, maybe 2 years ago, maybe 10 years ago, that these systems existed, how does that help? I already knew those systems existed, and i already knew people used them, but how does that help me, now, understand what people are using, today?
It doesn't.
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#5438639 Posted on: 06/02/2017 09:04 PM
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#5438645 Posted on: 06/02/2017 09:28 PM
Huh!
"...as it really should be the other way around."
There is a saying in Serbian "shto je babi milo, to joj se i snilo" (in loose translation "what the grandma is pleased with, that's what she meets in her dreams"). In this particular case, the grandma is actually a grandpa Billy...
Huh!
"...as it really should be the other way around."
There is a saying in Serbian "shto je babi milo, to joj se i snilo" (in loose translation "what the grandma is pleased with, that's what she meets in her dreams"). In this particular case, the grandma is actually a grandpa Billy...
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#5438648 Posted on: 06/02/2017 09:39 PM
Explain to me how it is supposed to give developers any insight at all when the information isn't even remotely reliable?
For all i know my 6 year old PC that my other steam account was first put on there is still listed as a "result" since its never done the survey since then.
It doesn't do anything for developers other then to affirm "Oh hey, they do have hardware" which should be implied in the first place if they are buying your game.......
If i, as a developer, do not know what hardware people are on more often then not, then what good is the information? If the information i am being told is telling me that at one time or another, yesterday, maybe 2 years ago, maybe 10 years ago, that these systems existed, how does that help? I already knew those systems existed, and i already knew people used them, but how does that help me, now, understand what people are using, today?
It doesn't.
Huh?
The steam hardware survey is sent out to a indeterminate number of people each month. The results of the survey are compared to the previous month. With 125M active users the sample size doesn't even have to be that large for a 95% confidence rating.
Developers then use that data to make decisions about the games they are building - not ones already sold. They can sit there with reasonable accuracy and say "The vast majority of steam users have less than 4 cores, thus we shouldn't make a game that absolutely requires 4 cores for an enjoyable experience" or "The vast majority of steam gamers are using 1080p and below" or "The vast majority of steam gamers have a 1060/480 or weaker". You don't need high levels of confidence in order to draw those conclusions and those are the conclusions valve designed it for.
Explain to me how it is supposed to give developers any insight at all when the information isn't even remotely reliable?
For all i know my 6 year old PC that my other steam account was first put on there is still listed as a "result" since its never done the survey since then.
It doesn't do anything for developers other then to affirm "Oh hey, they do have hardware" which should be implied in the first place if they are buying your game.......
If i, as a developer, do not know what hardware people are on more often then not, then what good is the information? If the information i am being told is telling me that at one time or another, yesterday, maybe 2 years ago, maybe 10 years ago, that these systems existed, how does that help? I already knew those systems existed, and i already knew people used them, but how does that help me, now, understand what people are using, today?
It doesn't.
Huh?
The steam hardware survey is sent out to a indeterminate number of people each month. The results of the survey are compared to the previous month. With 125M active users the sample size doesn't even have to be that large for a 95% confidence rating.
Developers then use that data to make decisions about the games they are building - not ones already sold. They can sit there with reasonable accuracy and say "The vast majority of steam users have less than 4 cores, thus we shouldn't make a game that absolutely requires 4 cores for an enjoyable experience" or "The vast majority of steam gamers are using 1080p and below" or "The vast majority of steam gamers have a 1060/480 or weaker". You don't need high levels of confidence in order to draw those conclusions and those are the conclusions valve designed it for.
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Except that it means literally nothing. Per this months survey, it states AMDs share has gone down, which implies that Ryzen has done nothing to help. Is that correct? Maybe, its possible. Yet, at the same time, could it also be that none, or only a few ryzen systems were surveyed? More likely the latter, i have two ryzen based systems and as i said earlier i got a survey request for this PC, first time in over 12+ months, while my other PC (with a different steam account) hasn't had a request since the account was created, 6 years ago. It had a request when it was initially created, but since then, nadda.
Because of the way steam does its surveys, they are worthless and pointless. If it requested from everyone, each month, it'd have a point. Or at least, if it had YEARLY survey results, not monthly, and requested each account at some point during the year, then it would also be useful. It would be outdated, but more useful then it currently is.
The steam hardware survey was intended to give developers general insight into hardware trends to target optimizations. You don't need a large sampling size for that, let alone what you're advocating - sampling every single computer.
And no, just because AMD's maketshare dropped doesn't automatically imply Ryzen isn't helping. How many Ryzen sales came from existing AMD users? How many old AMD users jumped shipped to Intel products? What is the margin of error on the sampling size? What is the sampling size?
We don't know the answers to any of those and without the answers saying that it's "100% accurate" or it's "Useless/Worthless/Pointless" are both equally ignorant responses.