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Whoops: ASUS Lists all (19) their upcoming Z390 motherboards on its support page
Guess what? Yep, you guessed it right, one more on Z390. I'm not going to explain what Z390 motherboards are, as really you've read it all by now. But ASUS made a rather sizable mistake, their support pages are list all new Z390 models, to date unannounced.
The company is set to release at least 19 models with the new Intel Z390 chipset. The models are divided into five different product categories. We see ATX, micro-ATX variants and mini-ITX formats. You will spot Six Maximus XI boards from Hero (with and without AC Wi-Fi) up-to-the Formula. These should be the sweet spot with an 8 core processor as they probably have a beefy VRM area. For mainstream, you will see four Strix models. Interesting will be the Z390-I Gaming, a mini-ITX motherboard. Also listed are three new Prime series models.
In the lower range bracket, ASUS is to offer five motherboards based on TUF branding. There is also a Z390-Dragon to spotted, that, however, will be a motherboard intended for the Chinese market segment, not reaching the EU and USA.
Maximus XI
- ROG MAXIMUS XI APEX
- ROG MAXIMUS XI CODE
- ROG MAXIMUS XI EXTREME
- ROG MAXIMUS XI FORMULA
- ROG MAXIMUS XI HERO
- ROG MAXIMUS XI HERO (WI-FI)
Z390 Strix
- ROG STRIX Z390-E GAMING
- ROG STRIX Z390-F GAMING
- ROG STRIX Z390-H GAMING
- ROG STRIX Z390-I GAMING
Z390 Prime
- PRIME Z390-A
- PRIME Z390M-PLUS
- PRIME Z390-P
Z390 TUF
- TUF Z390M-PRO GAMING
- TUF Z390M-PRO GAMING (WI-FI)
- TUF Z390-PLUS GAMING
- TUF Z390-PLUS GAMING (WI-FI)
- TUF Z390-PRO GAMING
Z390 Dragon
- Z390-DRAGON
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#5569271 Posted on: 07/29/2018 01:02 PM
Hmm the Z390 Dragon seems interesting. But 19 motherboards on the same chip set seems a little over the top.
Hmm the Z390 Dragon seems interesting. But 19 motherboards on the same chip set seems a little over the top.
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#5569283 Posted on: 07/29/2018 03:08 PM
I love ASUS MBs but 19 different board are clearly overkill!...
I love ASUS MBs but 19 different board are clearly overkill!...
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#5569328 Posted on: 07/29/2018 08:46 PM
And here i am still on my Maximus V...
And here i am still on my Maximus V...
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#5569335 Posted on: 07/29/2018 10:00 PM
And the new guy is fired...
And the new guy is fired...
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#5569347 Posted on: 07/29/2018 11:28 PM
I was thinking the same thing. How could there possibly be enough variations for this to be worth it? 19 motherboards by a single brand for an entire CPU socket is a good amount, but 19 for a single chipset? This isn't like the early 2010s where we had a lot more options to choose from such as color scheme, PCI (non-express) slots, Crossfire or SLI (or both) slot configurations, ATA ports, 3rd party RAID controllers, and so on. Nowadays, every board is grayscale with RGB headers, most features people care about are provided by the CPU rather than the chipset, mGPU (for gaming) is becoming increasingly rare, and just about everything is either based on PCIe or USB.
Asus could probably get away with making only 5x boards (2x ATX, 2 mATX, and maybe 1x ITX) and nobody would notice a difference. The wifi variants are unnecessary - just give users the M.2 or mini PCIe slot with the antennas and let the user buy their own card. If some boards sacrifice PCIe slots for more M.2 storage slots, why not just make a PCIe M.2 expansion card?
For each of these boards, Asus has to pay someone for:
* The design
* The manufacturing process
* Testing
* Writing BIOS/EFI code
* Writing manuals
* Creating box art
* Advertising
And so on. It'd be much cheaper and less overwhelming to consumers if they didn't pull this crap.
I love ASUS MBs but 19 different board are clearly overkill!...
I was thinking the same thing. How could there possibly be enough variations for this to be worth it? 19 motherboards by a single brand for an entire CPU socket is a good amount, but 19 for a single chipset? This isn't like the early 2010s where we had a lot more options to choose from such as color scheme, PCI (non-express) slots, Crossfire or SLI (or both) slot configurations, ATA ports, 3rd party RAID controllers, and so on. Nowadays, every board is grayscale with RGB headers, most features people care about are provided by the CPU rather than the chipset, mGPU (for gaming) is becoming increasingly rare, and just about everything is either based on PCIe or USB.
Asus could probably get away with making only 5x boards (2x ATX, 2 mATX, and maybe 1x ITX) and nobody would notice a difference. The wifi variants are unnecessary - just give users the M.2 or mini PCIe slot with the antennas and let the user buy their own card. If some boards sacrifice PCIe slots for more M.2 storage slots, why not just make a PCIe M.2 expansion card?
For each of these boards, Asus has to pay someone for:
* The design
* The manufacturing process
* Testing
* Writing BIOS/EFI code
* Writing manuals
* Creating box art
* Advertising
And so on. It'd be much cheaper and less overwhelming to consumers if they didn't pull this crap.
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#5569372 Posted on: 07/30/2018 06:16 AM
So, this huge lineup means that Z370 is really being replaced.
Hard to blame ASUS for replacing EOL product which intel decided to dump after 9 months.
So, this huge lineup means that Z370 is really being replaced.
Hard to blame ASUS for replacing EOL product which intel decided to dump after 9 months.
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#5569389 Posted on: 07/30/2018 08:22 AM
So, this huge lineup means that Z370 is really being replaced.
Hard to blame ASUS for replacing EOL product which intel decided to dump after 9 months.
So what's the problem? If you don't like it, don't buy it
Ryzen got x370 chipset 1? Year ago. Now it's x470. No problem, just newer and "tweaked" for the better.
So, this huge lineup means that Z370 is really being replaced.
Hard to blame ASUS for replacing EOL product which intel decided to dump after 9 months.
So what's the problem? If you don't like it, don't buy it
Ryzen got x370 chipset 1? Year ago. Now it's x470. No problem, just newer and "tweaked" for the better.
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#5569394 Posted on: 07/30/2018 08:44 AM
So what's the problem? If you don't like it, don't buy it
Ryzen got x370 chipset 1? Year ago. Now it's x470. No problem, just newer and "tweaked" for the better.
It tells the story, same one as many times before with intel. It is called: "damn quick obsolescence"
So, no problem here since I opt to realize that.
And it tells another story, but I am not in mood to give you another spasm and denial seizure.
Chipset is not that important, it is 'just' that part of picture which is made for purpose... to prevent viewer from seeing bigger picture.
Interesting part will be GB MT test between 6C/12T and 8C/16T variant. But no need to skip ahead of time.
So what's the problem? If you don't like it, don't buy it
Ryzen got x370 chipset 1? Year ago. Now it's x470. No problem, just newer and "tweaked" for the better.
It tells the story, same one as many times before with intel. It is called: "damn quick obsolescence"
So, no problem here since I opt to realize that.
And it tells another story, but I am not in mood to give you another spasm and denial seizure.
Chipset is not that important, it is 'just' that part of picture which is made for purpose... to prevent viewer from seeing bigger picture.
Interesting part will be GB MT test between 6C/12T and 8C/16T variant. But no need to skip ahead of time.
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#5569426 Posted on: 07/30/2018 12:15 PM
So what's the problem? If you don't like it, don't buy it
Ryzen got x370 chipset 1? Year ago. Now it's x470. No problem, just newer and "tweaked" for the better.
Well is the same old story, you are still able to buy a x370 it did not go EOL.
When a product gets EOL is hard to get replacement in case of failure, i want to know how asus will handle warranty in case of faulty z370 in the european 2 year life span.
Bios updates? unlikely. Meltdown and similar protection? unsure.
Having a new product that went quickly in EOL is unpleasant, there is no need to be AMD or INTEL fan we can agree on this.
So what's the problem? If you don't like it, don't buy it
Ryzen got x370 chipset 1? Year ago. Now it's x470. No problem, just newer and "tweaked" for the better.
Well is the same old story, you are still able to buy a x370 it did not go EOL.
When a product gets EOL is hard to get replacement in case of failure, i want to know how asus will handle warranty in case of faulty z370 in the european 2 year life span.
Bios updates? unlikely. Meltdown and similar protection? unsure.
Having a new product that went quickly in EOL is unpleasant, there is no need to be AMD or INTEL fan we can agree on this.
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#5569869 Posted on: 07/31/2018 04:20 PM
For each of these boards, Asus has to pay someone for:
* The design
* The manufacturing process
* Testing
* Writing BIOS/EFI code
* Writing manuals
* Creating box art
* Advertising
And so on. It'd be much cheaper and less overwhelming to consumers if they didn't pull this crap.
I could be wrong but i think things are a little different and that´s why they have so many boards. From my understanding Asus only creates 3 or 4 different boards with all the bells and whistles and then they create several versions of the same boards but with less extras. So they create an high end board with everything they have then they create a cheaper version of that board without Wi-Fi and 3/4 way SLI, then they create another version of that cheaper one without other stuff and so on...
This way they only have to design, validate and create material for 3 or 4 different boards because all the others are just variations of those same boards without some expensive stuff so they can hit all the price points the market requires. All this to say that it´s probably very cheap to create 19 "different" boards...
For each of these boards, Asus has to pay someone for:
* The design
* The manufacturing process
* Testing
* Writing BIOS/EFI code
* Writing manuals
* Creating box art
* Advertising
And so on. It'd be much cheaper and less overwhelming to consumers if they didn't pull this crap.
I could be wrong but i think things are a little different and that´s why they have so many boards. From my understanding Asus only creates 3 or 4 different boards with all the bells and whistles and then they create several versions of the same boards but with less extras. So they create an high end board with everything they have then they create a cheaper version of that board without Wi-Fi and 3/4 way SLI, then they create another version of that cheaper one without other stuff and so on...
This way they only have to design, validate and create material for 3 or 4 different boards because all the others are just variations of those same boards without some expensive stuff so they can hit all the price points the market requires. All this to say that it´s probably very cheap to create 19 "different" boards...
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#5569898 Posted on: 07/31/2018 06:03 PM
I see what you're saying, but my point is there aren't really that many more bells and whistles between the high-end boards and their lesser counterparts, and a lot of the variants (like boards with or without wifi) aren't necessary. There is enough change to warrant 2 or 3 variations, but any more than that seems unnecessary. Remember, we're talking about a single chipset here, not the CPU socket as a whole.
You do have a valid point there, but, I still think the sheer amount of variants doesn't pay off in the end. Again, you have to consider this is just accounting for Z390.
I could be wrong but i think things are a little different and that´s why they have so many boards. From my understanding Asus only creates 3 or 4 different boards with all the bells and whistles and then they create several versions of the same boards but with less extras. So they create an high end board with everything they have then they create a cheaper version of that board without Wi-Fi and 3/4 way SLI, then they create another version of that cheaper one without other stuff and so on...
I see what you're saying, but my point is there aren't really that many more bells and whistles between the high-end boards and their lesser counterparts, and a lot of the variants (like boards with or without wifi) aren't necessary. There is enough change to warrant 2 or 3 variations, but any more than that seems unnecessary. Remember, we're talking about a single chipset here, not the CPU socket as a whole.
This way they only have to design, validate and create material for 3 or 4 different boards because all the others are just variations of those same boards without some expensive stuff so they can hit all the price points the market requires. All this to say that it´s probably very cheap to create 19 "different" boards...
You do have a valid point there, but, I still think the sheer amount of variants doesn't pay off in the end. Again, you have to consider this is just accounting for Z390.
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I’m going to get the Maximus XI extreme