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USB 4.0 Will Arrive In Late 2020
Yeah, you just got used to USB 3.0, 3.1 and recently 3.2 right? It has been a confusing mess with the renamed denominators alright. But basically, the USB Promoter Group is finalizing the specifications of the new standard USB 4.0, the first products are expected in 2020.
The USB 4.0 Spec is at revision 0.7 and the USB Promoter Group will finalize it in a month or so with some availability in 2020. Guess what? It is based on Intel's Thunderbolt 3 technology and that achieves per at up to 40Gbit/s.
So that would be doubling up on the current fastest standard at 20 Gbit/s (USB 3.2 2x2). The USB Promoter Group) finds the differences so big that they are considering to create a new USB logo for it. USB 4 would be backward compatible with existing devices with USB 3.2, USB 2.0 as well as Thunderbolt 3. The new standard also adapts support on protocols like display port over Thunderbolt 3.
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#5680302 Posted on: 06/13/2019 11:49 AM
"The USB Promoter Group) finds the differences so big that they are considering to create a new USB logo for it."
Oh man, these guys seriously have zero clue about branding (not that any confirmation was needed after the whole 3.0/1/2 thing..). Why not let the USB brand as it is, be recognized as being super quick rather than forcing a situation where 'USB is slow and this thing here is super quick'. I mean its like they dont believe their own protocol is allowed to evolve into anything quicker over time. Just leave it be and give it a new number hahah. I'm glad the Bluetooth icon isnt changing with every iteration..
Ok i just needed to get that out of my system. Really not that big of a deal i know but i dont understand this need to change things for the worse.
"The USB Promoter Group) finds the differences so big that they are considering to create a new USB logo for it."
Oh man, these guys seriously have zero clue about branding (not that any confirmation was needed after the whole 3.0/1/2 thing..). Why not let the USB brand as it is, be recognized as being super quick rather than forcing a situation where 'USB is slow and this thing here is super quick'. I mean its like they dont believe their own protocol is allowed to evolve into anything quicker over time. Just leave it be and give it a new number hahah. I'm glad the Bluetooth icon isnt changing with every iteration..
Ok i just needed to get that out of my system. Really not that big of a deal i know but i dont understand this need to change things for the worse.
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#5680303 Posted on: 06/13/2019 11:54 AM
They should have gone for 10 x jump like the one from usb2 to USB3 and get it over with. Cos if it's only double, I guarantee there will be incremental updates that will just cause more confusion.
But hey, this is only a forum post, and it will not make the slightest difference in the end.
They should have gone for 10 x jump like the one from usb2 to USB3 and get it over with. Cos if it's only double, I guarantee there will be incremental updates that will just cause more confusion.
But hey, this is only a forum post, and it will not make the slightest difference in the end.
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#5680307 Posted on: 06/13/2019 12:03 PM
Then by all means give me devices to take advantage of said higher speeds.. I mean seriously who is at the forefront of the USB scheme of things....?!?
This is really sad when things like this happen. Devices and their speeds aren't even up to snuff with the transportation protocol available now, but let's slap a newer faster one out into the wild...
I just want Zen 2 to drop and that way I can see if the PCI-E lanes and their configuration on the X570 motherboards are going to hinder that PCI-E 4.0.
Because that X4 "interconnect" shtuff from the chipset to the CPU sounds like a really big bottleneck of sorts if all the devices are talking over just that connection internally....
Might just have to wait for Epyc and or threadripper 3?!?
Then by all means give me devices to take advantage of said higher speeds.. I mean seriously who is at the forefront of the USB scheme of things....?!?
This is really sad when things like this happen. Devices and their speeds aren't even up to snuff with the transportation protocol available now, but let's slap a newer faster one out into the wild...
I just want Zen 2 to drop and that way I can see if the PCI-E lanes and their configuration on the X570 motherboards are going to hinder that PCI-E 4.0.
Because that X4 "interconnect" shtuff from the chipset to the CPU sounds like a really big bottleneck of sorts if all the devices are talking over just that connection internally....
Might just have to wait for Epyc and or threadripper 3?!?
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#5680314 Posted on: 06/13/2019 12:26 PM
Then by all means give me devices to take advantage of said higher speeds..
GPU and 4k tv, maybe 8k, with decent frame rate.
Good thing - amd is getting thunderbolt next year
Then by all means give me devices to take advantage of said higher speeds..
GPU and 4k tv, maybe 8k, with decent frame rate.
Good thing - amd is getting thunderbolt next year
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#5680315 Posted on: 06/13/2019 12:31 PM
USB Promoter Group is a clown club.
USB Promoter Group is a clown club.
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#5680341 Posted on: 06/13/2019 01:17 PM
People have gotten very used to their "long" charging and data cables. This may upset those who are not willing to go back to shorter cables for quick charging or fast data rates. USB 3.1/2 already has issues with cables longer than 3 feet, and Thunderbolt 3 has similar issues, especially when sending display data. Maybe they should have concentrated on this part before just jumping to the nearest speed hike.
People have gotten very used to their "long" charging and data cables. This may upset those who are not willing to go back to shorter cables for quick charging or fast data rates. USB 3.1/2 already has issues with cables longer than 3 feet, and Thunderbolt 3 has similar issues, especially when sending display data. Maybe they should have concentrated on this part before just jumping to the nearest speed hike.
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#5680357 Posted on: 06/13/2019 01:41 PM
Intel clowns, both USB and PCIE groups, some big money is going on to discredit the launch of AMD right now.
PCIE 5 and USB 4, so everything on this launch feels outdated.
And just to bring some ground, most cable makers are having a hard time to make even 3.1gen 2 cables to the standard, right now, some very few brands, including Apple, can produce decent cables. Now, imagine guys, every device compatible with USB4 will need an ultra expensive cable... Most people haven't even saturated the USB 3.0 standard with their devices...
Intel clowns, both USB and PCIE groups, some big money is going on to discredit the launch of AMD right now.
PCIE 5 and USB 4, so everything on this launch feels outdated.
And just to bring some ground, most cable makers are having a hard time to make even 3.1gen 2 cables to the standard, right now, some very few brands, including Apple, can produce decent cables. Now, imagine guys, every device compatible with USB4 will need an ultra expensive cable... Most people haven't even saturated the USB 3.0 standard with their devices...
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#5680376 Posted on: 06/13/2019 02:16 PM
Intel clowns, both USB and PCIE groups, some big money is going on to discredit the launch of AMD right now.
PCIE 5 and USB 4, so everything on this launch feels outdated.
And just to bring some ground, most cable makers are having a hard time to make even 3.1gen 2 cables to the standard, right now, some very few brands, including Apple, can produce decent cables. Now, imagine guys, every device compatible with USB4 will need an ultra expensive cable... Most people haven't even saturated the USB 3.0 standard with their devices...
drop the conspiracy theories, the thunderbolt release to the usb committee was scheduled long ago.
Intel clowns, both USB and PCIE groups, some big money is going on to discredit the launch of AMD right now.
PCIE 5 and USB 4, so everything on this launch feels outdated.
And just to bring some ground, most cable makers are having a hard time to make even 3.1gen 2 cables to the standard, right now, some very few brands, including Apple, can produce decent cables. Now, imagine guys, every device compatible with USB4 will need an ultra expensive cable... Most people haven't even saturated the USB 3.0 standard with their devices...
drop the conspiracy theories, the thunderbolt release to the usb committee was scheduled long ago.
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#5680385 Posted on: 06/13/2019 02:28 PM
I'm growing less and less fond of USB's trends ever since type C came out. Not that I have any gripes with the type C connector, just everything else associated with it. USB is turning into some really poorly thought out all-purpose connector. Yeah I get it, it's supposed to be universal, but being universal doesn't have to mean being a jack of all trades. What made USB 1.x to 3.0 so great is how it was consistent. You knew exactly what you were getting, it was very cheap, and very reliable. It might not have had such a wide array of functions, but at least it was user-friendly (aside from some people struggling to find which side was up and which one was down).
Now, it's turned into something where you can see a type C port and have no clue what it'll give you. Sometimes it can charge/power devices, sometimes it can't. Sometimes it'll offer 40Gbps, sometimes it'll give you 5Gbps. Sometimes it's a Thunderbolt port, sometimes it isn't. Sometimes it has the DP specs, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you can daisy-chain, sometimes you can't. The cable you use can affect functionality. The host device you use can affect functionality.
I can't imagine all of the security risks and electrical gremlins that'll be involved by getting closer and closer to the PCIe bus.
USB has been distorted into something ugly and user-unfriendly.
I'm growing less and less fond of USB's trends ever since type C came out. Not that I have any gripes with the type C connector, just everything else associated with it. USB is turning into some really poorly thought out all-purpose connector. Yeah I get it, it's supposed to be universal, but being universal doesn't have to mean being a jack of all trades. What made USB 1.x to 3.0 so great is how it was consistent. You knew exactly what you were getting, it was very cheap, and very reliable. It might not have had such a wide array of functions, but at least it was user-friendly (aside from some people struggling to find which side was up and which one was down).
Now, it's turned into something where you can see a type C port and have no clue what it'll give you. Sometimes it can charge/power devices, sometimes it can't. Sometimes it'll offer 40Gbps, sometimes it'll give you 5Gbps. Sometimes it's a Thunderbolt port, sometimes it isn't. Sometimes it has the DP specs, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you can daisy-chain, sometimes you can't. The cable you use can affect functionality. The host device you use can affect functionality.
I can't imagine all of the security risks and electrical gremlins that'll be involved by getting closer and closer to the PCIe bus.
USB has been distorted into something ugly and user-unfriendly.
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#5680386 Posted on: 06/13/2019 02:30 PM
Rather than keeping pursuing speed, it would be awesome to look into solving the current issues.
Most sub 300€ phones use USB2. Most devices are still at USB2, like cameras and cheap gadgets.
I love the USB3.0 reversible port, I'd love to that become a standard before anything else.
Rather than keeping pursuing speed, it would be awesome to look into solving the current issues.
Most sub 300€ phones use USB2. Most devices are still at USB2, like cameras and cheap gadgets.
I love the USB3.0 reversible port, I'd love to that become a standard before anything else.
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#5680392 Posted on: 06/13/2019 02:36 PM
Rather than keeping pursuing speed, it would be awesome to look into solving the current issues.
Most sub 300€ phones use USB2. Most devices are still at USB2, like cameras and cheap gadgets.
I love the USB3.0 reversible port, I'd love to that become a standard before anything else.
Just to emphasize my point about how stupid USB has become: don't confuse USB 3.0 with 3.1+: they're not totally backward compatible. USB 3.0, to my knowledge, isn't compatible with the reversible type-C connector. USB 3.1 Gen1, which overall has the same specs as 3.0, is compatible.
EDIT:
Just to clarify, I'm not at all scrutinizing you if you didn't know this, because it isn't common knowledge and it's not your fault all of this was so poorly thought-out.
Rather than keeping pursuing speed, it would be awesome to look into solving the current issues.
Most sub 300€ phones use USB2. Most devices are still at USB2, like cameras and cheap gadgets.
I love the USB3.0 reversible port, I'd love to that become a standard before anything else.
Just to emphasize my point about how stupid USB has become: don't confuse USB 3.0 with 3.1+: they're not totally backward compatible. USB 3.0, to my knowledge, isn't compatible with the reversible type-C connector. USB 3.1 Gen1, which overall has the same specs as 3.0, is compatible.
EDIT:
Just to clarify, I'm not at all scrutinizing you if you didn't know this, because it isn't common knowledge and it's not your fault all of this was so poorly thought-out.
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#5680397 Posted on: 06/13/2019 02:44 PM
Another technological leap that will serve to keep the price up.
Another technological leap that will serve to keep the price up.
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#5680400 Posted on: 06/13/2019 02:52 PM
More then the speed the two things I care about are:
- Having the type C connector take over from the micro usb one - the micro type B wears out far to quickly meaning you keep need to buying new cables and often in phones having to replace the charging circuit board because they become almost impossible to charge.
- Having some properly enforced quality standards as right now there's such a variation in cable quality.
More then the speed the two things I care about are:
- Having the type C connector take over from the micro usb one - the micro type B wears out far to quickly meaning you keep need to buying new cables and often in phones having to replace the charging circuit board because they become almost impossible to charge.
- Having some properly enforced quality standards as right now there's such a variation in cable quality.
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#5680414 Posted on: 06/13/2019 03:23 PM
Do you see video cards, TV with USB 4.0 connection?
Except for video cards do not understand why should I use it?
Do you see video cards, TV with USB 4.0 connection?
Except for video cards do not understand why should I use it?
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Personally still not using USB3.0 to it's fullest...