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Upcoming Ryzen 2.0 (Pinnacle Ridge) Will Get Soldered Heatspreader
If the prognosis remains true, AMD will release the optimized v2.0 of Ryzen (Pinnacle Ridge) processors in April alongside a new X470 chipset. It has now been confirmed that these 2nd gen processors will get a soldered heat spreader, and not one based on thermal paste.
Earlier this week AMD released Raven Ridge, the Ryzen 2000G series APUs, these actually have thermal paste between the die and heat spreader. Albeit TIM (thermal insulation material) is cheaper to use, it is suggested that they have poorer heat transfer and thus are less efficient to cool down. Pinnacle Ridge, however, will get that heat spreader soldered onto the die, which should be more efficient. AMD also applies this method for example with current Ryzen and Threadripper processors, and let us be honest here; you cannot complain about Ryzen temperatures whatsoever. The news was confirmed by AMDs Robert Hallock, earlier today.
Overclockers and colder processor aficionado's should like the news, there will be no need for delidding. The upcoming generation Ryzen v2.0 processors, Pinnacle Ridge aka Ryzen 2000 aka Zen+ will be based on an optimized 12nm (12LP) process based on fabrication at Global Foundries which could improve on clock frequency and internal efficiency.
While the new v2.0 processors obviously also work with your X370 chipset based motherboard, but yes, there will also be an X470 motherboard chipset launched. The details of what that chipset will offer over the X370 are not yet announced though. In April we'll see 12nm Zen+ optimized Ryzen processors. Zen 2 is fabbed at 7nm. Zen 3 is on track, launching in 2020 based on a 7nm+ (optimized) fabrication.
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#5520236 Posted on: 02/15/2018 03:15 PM
I was originally upgrading at the ryzen 1, but now i'm thinking i can wait until this release.
I was originally upgrading at the ryzen 1, but now i'm thinking i can wait until this release.
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#5520261 Posted on: 02/15/2018 04:42 PM
I was going to get a 6c/12t ryzen+ but now i'm even more excited. Can't wait, it will be a day one buy for me.
I was going to get a 6c/12t ryzen+ but now i'm even more excited. Can't wait, it will be a day one buy for me.
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#5520278 Posted on: 02/15/2018 06:02 PM
The TIM on Raven Ridge was only to save on cost, as the 2200G and 2400G are budget parts and only rated for 65W. For their high-end parts, they will continue to user solder, which is pretty much what was expected - those paying the premium for these chips deserve the best cooling option.
The TIM on Raven Ridge was only to save on cost, as the 2200G and 2400G are budget parts and only rated for 65W. For their high-end parts, they will continue to user solder, which is pretty much what was expected - those paying the premium for these chips deserve the best cooling option.
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#5520292 Posted on: 02/15/2018 07:08 PM
That's almost certainly my next upgrade right there. Farewell Ivy Bridge and farewell delidding.
That's almost certainly my next upgrade right there. Farewell Ivy Bridge and farewell delidding.
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#5520301 Posted on: 02/15/2018 07:38 PM
AMD might not have the best hardware, but they sure do make good decisions I as a customer like.
AMD might not have the best hardware, but they sure do make good decisions I as a customer like.
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#5520319 Posted on: 02/15/2018 08:42 PM
Yep, from what I've read it's only Intel using paste on their cpus, unless they've changed that in response to AMD going solder with Ryzen cpus. (2xxx G's are APUs, not technically cpus...
)
The TIM on Raven Ridge was only to save on cost, as the 2200G and 2400G are budget parts and only rated for 65W. For their high-end parts, they will continue to user solder, which is pretty much what was expected - those paying the premium for these chips deserve the best cooling option.
Yep, from what I've read it's only Intel using paste on their cpus, unless they've changed that in response to AMD going solder with Ryzen cpus. (2xxx G's are APUs, not technically cpus...
)
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#5520333 Posted on: 02/15/2018 09:22 PM
I just hope there is one X470 mATX board with one PCI slot at launch time.
I just hope there is one X470 mATX board with one PCI slot at launch time.
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#5520344 Posted on: 02/15/2018 09:55 PM
I doubt Intel will ever change on that. As long as their customers are willing to put up with the TIM (and delidding) then they'll continue using it. People vote with their wallets, and every time an Intel CPU (that uses TIM) is sold Intel receives a signal that TIM is acceptable, so why change?
Yep, from what I've read it's only Intel using paste on their cpus, unless they've changed that in response to AMD going solder with Ryzen cpus. (2xxx G's are APUs, not technically cpus... )
)I doubt Intel will ever change on that. As long as their customers are willing to put up with the TIM (and delidding) then they'll continue using it. People vote with their wallets, and every time an Intel CPU (that uses TIM) is sold Intel receives a signal that TIM is acceptable, so why change?
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#5520357 Posted on: 02/15/2018 10:49 PM
Don't bet on it. I predict PCI slots will pretty much be completely phased out in 2-3 years.
If you need it that badly, might think about getting something like this:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Mini-PCIe-to-2-external-pci-1890717704.html
Though obviously that ends up taking more room and i can only assume you want to take up less room since you want mATX
I just hope there is one X470 mATX board with one PCI slot at launch time.
Don't bet on it. I predict PCI slots will pretty much be completely phased out in 2-3 years.
If you need it that badly, might think about getting something like this:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Mini-PCIe-to-2-external-pci-1890717704.html
Though obviously that ends up taking more room and i can only assume you want to take up less room since you want mATX
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#5520370 Posted on: 02/15/2018 11:47 PM
Does that equal +4GHz overclocks without the need for exotic cooling?
Does that equal +4GHz overclocks without the need for exotic cooling?
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#5520382 Posted on: 02/16/2018 12:42 AM
Don't bet on it. I predict PCI slots will pretty much be completely phased out in 2-3 years.
If you need it that badly, might think about getting something like this:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Mini-PCIe-to-2-external-pci-1890717704.html
Though obviously that ends up taking more room and i can only assume you want to take up less room since you want mATX
I have PCIe to PCI convertors in mind as last resort. There are cheaper versions for mounting into case.
But it is for Soundcard. I did not evade STX with PCIe2PCI bridge on board (reducing sound quality) just to have it on standalone PCIe2PCI bridge.
In that case I can just pay whole price for STU (New USB version).
Don't bet on it. I predict PCI slots will pretty much be completely phased out in 2-3 years.
If you need it that badly, might think about getting something like this:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Mini-PCIe-to-2-external-pci-1890717704.html
Though obviously that ends up taking more room and i can only assume you want to take up less room since you want mATX
I have PCIe to PCI convertors in mind as last resort. There are cheaper versions for mounting into case.
But it is for Soundcard. I did not evade STX with PCIe2PCI bridge on board (reducing sound quality) just to have it on standalone PCIe2PCI bridge.
In that case I can just pay whole price for STU (New USB version).
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#5520411 Posted on: 02/16/2018 04:00 AM
i suspect the x470 chipset will allow for more pcie connectivity...mebbe even plx
i suspect the x470 chipset will allow for more pcie connectivity...mebbe even plx
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#5521003 Posted on: 02/19/2018 02:15 AM
Nothing really new, just as expected, at least to me. Another great option is coming in april. It's good for everybody.
Nothing really new, just as expected, at least to me. Another great option is coming in april. It's good for everybody.
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#5521008 Posted on: 02/19/2018 05:10 AM
That roadmap pic is bugging me.
"Zen 2 Improves on zen in multiple dimensions"
Does this mean that we will need new socket because dimensions will be bigger/smaller or CPUs will get improvements in some AMD dimensions only (which does not include dimension where we live)?!
That roadmap pic is bugging me.
"Zen 2 Improves on zen in multiple dimensions"
Does this mean that we will need new socket because dimensions will be bigger/smaller or CPUs will get improvements in some AMD dimensions only (which does not include dimension where we live)?!
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Oh AMD, you just keep getting better and better. Keep the lights on baby, i'm coming home!