Upcoming Geforce GTX Volta cards Use GDDR5X not HBM2
We've written a lot back and forth about GDDR5X versus HBM2 (and GDDR6 these days). Nvidia did not place all their eggs in one basket, AMD pretty much did so for high-end. That being the main and root cause of delays as HBM2 is difficult to fab and expensive. As it stands now, opcoming consumer GeForce cards based on Volta will not use HBM2.
This is a new claim that originates from Fudzilla, who states that this info came from well-informed sources. I tend to agree as nothing is pointing or indicating towards HBM2 from Nvidia at this moment in time. From the looks of it, small and compact HBM2 memory simply is too expensive for consumer products. Nvidia does use HBM2 on its GV100-gpu, but much like what happened with Pascal, here again they will revert to GDDR5X memory for the consumer parts.
While HBM2 might seem to offer better memory-bus width, latency and lower voltages, it seems harder to fab and implement and likely thus is more costly and complicated to use than expected. Just look at the massive AMD Radeon RX Vega (consumer) delay, this likely is due to the limited availability of HBM2. Meanwhile Nvidia has been plastering GDDR5X in their recent high-end SKUs. GDDR5X still rocks hard this year. Next to HBM2, GDDR6 is the new thing for 2018. The new graphics memory type will offer up to 16Gb (2GB) per IC. So eight ICs would already get you to 16 GB of graphics memory.
Nvidia could make use of SK Hynix and/or Micron GDDR5X memory.
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Where the big F do you got the idea Vega is late? Vega has always been schedule for the 1st half of 2017, which still a June launch will kind of fit.
But AMD has other problems: Production costs & availability of HBM2, with the apparent lack of a fail safe GDDR5 option, looks like they can be in a lot of trouble.
That's why probably NVidia took the safe bet of going to GDDR5X in order to have a new product with strong availability this year, and leave those next gen memories for 2018 refresh models.
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I couldn't give a rat's festering poochychie aboot all this 4k bull****. Give me my 144+ fps anyday over higher resolutions. I'm a diabetic with bad eyes so there is no difference between 1080p & 4k/5k/8k/16k/2048k/infinity K.
All those K's can suck it.
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Where the big F do you got the idea Vega is late? Vega has always been schedule for the 1st half of 2017, which still a June launch will kind of fit.
But AMD has other problems: Production costs & availability of HBM2, with the apparent lack of a fail safe GDDR5 option, looks like they can be in a lot of trouble.
That's why probably NVidia took the safe bet of going to GDDR5X in order to have a new product with strong availability this year, and leave those next gen memories for 2018 refresh models.
You realize July is the start of H2 of a year right? Vega is scheduled to release end of July start of August.
Vega is late I don't matter what AMD says. It's late. Nvidia has had no competition in the high performance sector for over a year now.
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I couldn't give a rat's festering poochychie aboot all this 4k bull****. Give me my 144+ fps anyday over higher resolutions. I'm a diabetic with bad eyes so there is no difference between 1080p & 4k/5k/8k/16k/2048k/infinity K.
All those K's can suck it.
Should really up your intake of lutein and zeaxanthin(macular pigment forming, fat soluble carotenoids found in yellow and orange foods like bell peppers, saffron, egg yolk, paprika as well as leafy greens), as well as omega3 fatty acids. Your visual and color acuity will improve.
Thats not just for diabetics either. Anyone can benefit, particularly if you stare at monitors a lot.
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