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Guru3D.com » News » Upcoming Geforce GTX Volta cards Use GDDR5X not HBM2

Upcoming Geforce GTX Volta cards Use GDDR5X not HBM2

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 06/16/2017 05:51 PM | source: | 45 comment(s)
Upcoming Geforce GTX Volta cards Use GDDR5X not HBM2

We've written a lot back and forth about GDDR5X versus HBM2 (and GDDR6 these days). Nvidia did not place all their eggs in one basket, AMD pretty much did so for high-end. That being the main and root cause of delays as HBM2 is difficult to fab and expensive. As it stands now, opcoming consumer GeForce cards based on Volta will not use HBM2.

This is a new claim that originates from Fudzilla, who states that this info came from well-informed sources. I tend to agree as nothing is pointing or indicating towards HBM2 from Nvidia at this moment in time. From the looks of it, small and compact HBM2 memory simply is too expensive for consumer products. Nvidia does use HBM2 on its GV100-gpu, but much like what happened with Pascal, here again they will revert to GDDR5X memory for the consumer parts.
 

 
While HBM2 might seem to offer better memory-bus width, latency and lower voltages, it seems harder to fab and implement and likely thus is more costly and complicated to use than expected. Just look at the massive AMD Radeon RX Vega (consumer) delay, this likely is due to the limited availability of HBM2. 
Meanwhile Nvidia has been plastering GDDR5X in their recent high-end SKUs. GDDR5X still rocks hard this year. Next to HBM2, GDDR6 is the new thing for 2018. The new graphics memory type will offer up to 16Gb (2GB) per IC. So eight ICs would already get you to 16 GB of graphics memory.

Nvidia could make use of SK Hynix and/or Micron GDDR5X memory. 







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Prince Valiant
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#5443748 Posted on: 06/16/2017 03:56 PM
Since 4K will obviously be the target for the upcoming Volta cards, NVidia had better optimize memory I/O even further if they stick to GDDR.

MSAA seems to be dead, so they will probably get away with this just fine.
I wish FXAA would go find a quiet corner to die in.

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#5443758 Posted on: 06/16/2017 04:11 PM
Trust me it has benefits that Volta just will not have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85ProuqAof0

Denial
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#5443762 Posted on: 06/16/2017 04:19 PM
Trust me it has benefits that Volta just will not have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85ProuqAof0

Increased framerates when you run out of VRAM is not something I'd consider must have - just give the card enough VRAM in the first place.

Regardless, I think everyone knows HBM2 has benefits, the question is whether those benefits is worth the increased cost, potential delays, etc that seem to stem from using it. In gaming, I personally don't see the value.

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#5443768 Posted on: 06/16/2017 04:44 PM
GeForce cards are their gaming cards, so don't need it, they only use HBM on their data centre cards (Teslas), where it is.

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#5443782 Posted on: 06/16/2017 05:06 PM
GeForce cards are their gaming cards, so don't need it, they only use HBM on their data centre cards (Teslas), where it is.


Agree, the HBM tesla is on request and cost... way too much for a gaming GPU. :)

Also aviability of HBM is an issue (for both NVidia and AMD despite this one is the 1st on the list) and so the price.

Sometime technical evolution is hard :pc1: ...

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