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Tweakers Get Coffee Lake Procs Going on Series 200 and even 100 Chipset Motherboards
You guys know that on several occasions I have mentioned in our reviews and news that there is no valid enough reason for Coffee Lake (Mandatory 300 chipset) to not work on the Series 200 chipsets, and perhaps even series 100 chipsets. This thesis has now been confirmed, the myth debunked.
Over at the overclock.net forums, there is a thread running that ended up a bit of a guide. Some Tweakers have been fooling around with Software, BIOS, Management engines, and iGPU settings and drivers and guess what? With a CPU microcode, iGPU's UEFI GOP driver, and a hand full of Management Engine bootstraps on the side of the motherboard BIOS recognizes Coffee lake 8th Generation processors.
Coffee Lake is now completely working on 100/200 series motherboards. There, however, is a side note to make as the modders only used a Core i3 8100 for testing, but that processor they even got working on an ‘older’ Series 100 motherboard, which crazy stuff when you think about it.
Intel never talked about this and refused to allow motherboard partners to support older generation motherboards. With each new processors series (generation), Intel simple forces you to buy a corresponding motherboard and chipset. It’s good money, as you are required to purchase a new motherboard. Compare that to AMD, Zen 9 and even Zen 2.0 will very likely work on the current X370 motherboards.
Source: Overclock.net Forums and guide here via TPU.
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#5525433 Posted on: 03/05/2018 09:37 AM
Both AMD's clock speeds and Intel's lies are catching up with Intel at a remarkable speed!
Both AMD's clock speeds and Intel's lies are catching up with Intel at a remarkable speed!
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#5525436 Posted on: 03/05/2018 09:47 AM
I remember when you could swap an Intel cpu for AMD cpu no problems lol socket 7 and maybe socket 370 too ahh simpler times lol
I remember when you could swap an Intel cpu for AMD cpu no problems lol socket 7 and maybe socket 370 too ahh simpler times lol
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#5525458 Posted on: 03/05/2018 11:46 AM
for every new CPU they sell Intel want to also sell a south bridge...Double dipping
for every new CPU they sell Intel want to also sell a south bridge...Double dipping
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#5525465 Posted on: 03/05/2018 12:10 PM
Pure and simple Intel greed
Pure and simple Intel greed
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#5525467 Posted on: 03/05/2018 12:12 PM
This is good news though, however I think that the 100/200 serier is limited to 4 cores. That's most probably why we don't see the new 6 core i5 running. But hey nothing is impossible so let's give it time and see how this play out.
This is good news though, however I think that the 100/200 serier is limited to 4 cores. That's most probably why we don't see the new 6 core i5 running. But hey nothing is impossible so let's give it time and see how this play out.
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#5525491 Posted on: 03/05/2018 01:54 PM
I disagree. It's a business. Previously to Ryzen they effectively had no real competition for awhile. They could trickle advancements and not change the price. The smaller the process got, the more expensive it is to make. You can't compare their pricing to Ryzen pricing. Ryzen's used a completely different process which yields a greater amount of chips in the end.
I'd back away from the pricing subject and aim at why doesn't AMD and Intel solder all their chips? avoid using the tim.. I understand it's gettign better and better and makes the chip less expensive (by how much?, 5 bucks? just do it, add the $5)
Pure and simple Intel greed
I disagree. It's a business. Previously to Ryzen they effectively had no real competition for awhile. They could trickle advancements and not change the price. The smaller the process got, the more expensive it is to make. You can't compare their pricing to Ryzen pricing. Ryzen's used a completely different process which yields a greater amount of chips in the end.
I'd back away from the pricing subject and aim at why doesn't AMD and Intel solder all their chips? avoid using the tim.. I understand it's gettign better and better and makes the chip less expensive (by how much?, 5 bucks? just do it, add the $5)
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#5525494 Posted on: 03/05/2018 02:05 PM
It's just sped up obsolescence for the purpose of profit.
It's just sped up obsolescence for the purpose of profit.
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#5525509 Posted on: 03/05/2018 02:48 PM
If core count was the only limitation we would be seeing older LGA1151 CPUs running on 300 series chipset boards... but we don't. So yes, I'll stick with Intel greed.
This is good news though, however I think that the 100/200 serier is limited to 4 cores. That's most probably why we don't see the new 6 core i5 running. But hey nothing is impossible so let's give it time and see how this play out.
If core count was the only limitation we would be seeing older LGA1151 CPUs running on 300 series chipset boards... but we don't. So yes, I'll stick with Intel greed.
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#5525514 Posted on: 03/05/2018 02:56 PM
I KNEW this was going to happen. Many people said this was never going to work.
However, I do have my doubts that we're going to see anything better than an i3. Though Coffee Lake architecturally isn't really any different than KL, I don't recall there being any 6-core KL for socket 1151. So, I don't think the motherboards would recognize such a chip.
I KNEW this was going to happen. Many people said this was never going to work.
However, I do have my doubts that we're going to see anything better than an i3. Though Coffee Lake architecturally isn't really any different than KL, I don't recall there being any 6-core KL for socket 1151. So, I don't think the motherboards would recognize such a chip.
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#5525516 Posted on: 03/05/2018 03:03 PM
"Compare that to AMD, Zen 9 and even Zen 2.0 will very likely work on the current X370 motherboards."
Uhm... Wouldn't that be Zen +? or something close?
I don't know for sure, but the whole 300 series chipset was a mess from the beginning. First there's only z370 boards for months, we're only now seeing "leaks" of h370, B360. Then there's the whole LGA 1151 socket which... Made no sense at all. At least change the socket? Or give it a new gimmick name, like AM3+, AM2+ or whatever?
And the fact that people are managing to make it work with older chipsets is only getting worser... Maybe a 4/8 core/thread limitation? Or maybe under peak load on a 6 core things get more intense? Then again this doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you have excellent power circuits for overcloking... Maybe some boards wouldn't be able to handle the current for a full 6 core usage?
"Compare that to AMD, Zen 9 and even Zen 2.0 will very likely work on the current X370 motherboards."
Uhm... Wouldn't that be Zen +? or something close?
I don't know for sure, but the whole 300 series chipset was a mess from the beginning. First there's only z370 boards for months, we're only now seeing "leaks" of h370, B360. Then there's the whole LGA 1151 socket which... Made no sense at all. At least change the socket? Or give it a new gimmick name, like AM3+, AM2+ or whatever?
And the fact that people are managing to make it work with older chipsets is only getting worser... Maybe a 4/8 core/thread limitation? Or maybe under peak load on a 6 core things get more intense? Then again this doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you have excellent power circuits for overcloking... Maybe some boards wouldn't be able to handle the current for a full 6 core usage?
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#5525517 Posted on: 03/05/2018 03:09 PM
I disagree. It's a business. Previously to Ryzen they effectively had no real competition for awhile. They could trickle advancements and not change the price. The smaller the process got, the more expensive it is to make. You can't compare their pricing to Ryzen pricing. Ryzen's used a completely different process which yields a greater amount of chips in the end.
I'd back away from the pricing subject and aim at why doesn't AMD and Intel solder all their chips? avoid using the tim.. I understand it's gettign better and better and makes the chip less expensive (by how much?, 5 bucks? just do it, add the $5)
Sorry, but single ryzen chip is 8 cores and prior to ryzent here was hardly something with more cores available except Xeon server chips so your point is wrong here, if something Intel 14nm should make a bit smaler transistors giving them advantage in chip size and potential Yields.
I disagree. It's a business. Previously to Ryzen they effectively had no real competition for awhile. They could trickle advancements and not change the price. The smaller the process got, the more expensive it is to make. You can't compare their pricing to Ryzen pricing. Ryzen's used a completely different process which yields a greater amount of chips in the end.
I'd back away from the pricing subject and aim at why doesn't AMD and Intel solder all their chips? avoid using the tim.. I understand it's gettign better and better and makes the chip less expensive (by how much?, 5 bucks? just do it, add the $5)
Sorry, but single ryzen chip is 8 cores and prior to ryzent here was hardly something with more cores available except Xeon server chips so your point is wrong here, if something Intel 14nm should make a bit smaler transistors giving them advantage in chip size and potential Yields.
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#5525519 Posted on: 03/05/2018 03:13 PM
Oh they were available. Just not with the mainstream platform, you had to pay extra. Lots of extra.
Sorry, but single ryzen chip is 8 cores and prior to ryzent here was hardly something with more cores available except Xeon server chips so your point is wrong here, if something Intel 14nm should make a bit smaler transistors giving them advantage in chip size and potential Yields.
Oh they were available. Just not with the mainstream platform, you had to pay extra. Lots of extra.
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#5525527 Posted on: 03/05/2018 03:31 PM
If you dont count server cpus, only available more than 8 core cpu in HEDT was Broadwell-E based Core i7-6950X.
Anything else come after Ryzen launch.
Oh they were available. Just not with the mainstream platform, you had to pay extra. Lots of extra.
If you dont count server cpus, only available more than 8 core cpu in HEDT was Broadwell-E based Core i7-6950X.
Anything else come after Ryzen launch.
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#5525533 Posted on: 03/05/2018 03:49 PM
Nope, there were 6 and 8 core Intel consumer CPUs available long before Ryzen came along, it's just that they were outrageously priced (e.g., $1050 for a 6900K). What Ryzen did was make 8-core CPUs more affordable. Note that this is the sole reason why I switched to Ryzen (I really wanted a octa-core CPU for grid computing, but couldn't stomach Intel's prices).
Sorry, but single ryzen chip is 8 cores and prior to ryzent here was hardly something with more cores available except Xeon server chips so your point is wrong here, if something Intel 14nm should make a bit smaler transistors giving them advantage in chip size and potential Yields.
Nope, there were 6 and 8 core Intel consumer CPUs available long before Ryzen came along, it's just that they were outrageously priced (e.g., $1050 for a 6900K). What Ryzen did was make 8-core CPUs more affordable. Note that this is the sole reason why I switched to Ryzen (I really wanted a octa-core CPU for grid computing, but couldn't stomach Intel's prices).
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AMD confirmed that they will support AM4 for about 4 too 5 years.... Ryzen was the first, Ryzen 3 will be the last.
Intel will never change, and still the majority of the people will keep on buying Intel. Why??? Because of the higher clock speeds??? Where is the sanity of most people, Intel is over charching for their stuff, AMD gives enough power fir 90% of the people at a more friendly price.