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TSMC starts volume production of 7nm chips with euv machines in March
Production on the 7nm platform (CLN7FF+) node is expected to reach high volume as soon as March. Not to mistake it, that would be the second generation production for 7nm chips-based on fabrication with EUV machines from ASML.
Sources within the Taiwanese tech industry have reported to DigiTimes that the volume production of the improved 7nm node, which the company calls CLN7FF +, starts at the end of March. It is the first chip generation that TSMC will use euv machines for. According to DigiTimes, this year, TSMC will use eighteen of the thirty available EUV machines supplied by ASML.
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) is expected to kick off volume production of chips built using an enhanced 7nm with EUV node at the end of March, according to industry sources. ASML, which provides extreme ultraviolet (EUV) litho equipment, is looking to ship a total of 30 EUV systems in 2019. Of the units to be shipped, 18 have already been reserved by TSMC, the sources indicated. TSMC is also on track to move a newer 5nm node to risk production in the second quarter of 2019, the sources noted. The foundry will fully incorporate EUV in the 5nm node. EUV-based 7nm process, which will boost its total 7nm chip sales to account for 25% of total wafer sales this year compared with 9% in 2018.
TSMC already fabs chips on a 7nm for AMD and Apple.
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#5639559 Posted on: 02/14/2019 02:03 PM
There is no need. And likely no ready architecture update either.
No need, because power efficiency is sufficient. Cost is likely not great for 2080Ti. But it would unlikely improve on 7nm, especially on newest iteration.
And I do not think nVidia has made enough of changes and finished improvements from TU to go for another tapeout so soon.
awesome, then we're all set for a July/August refresh of Turin on 7nm EUV.
There is no need. And likely no ready architecture update either.
No need, because power efficiency is sufficient. Cost is likely not great for 2080Ti. But it would unlikely improve on 7nm, especially on newest iteration.
And I do not think nVidia has made enough of changes and finished improvements from TU to go for another tapeout so soon.
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#5639790 Posted on: 02/14/2019 10:00 PM
There is no need. And likely no ready architecture update either.
No need, because power efficiency is sufficient. Cost is likely not great for 2080Ti. But it would unlikely improve on 7nm, especially on newest iteration.
And I do not think nVidia has made enough of changes and finished improvements from TU to go for another tapeout so soon.
Agree. Plus AMD postponed Navi so they would just be competing with themselves.
There is no need. And likely no ready architecture update either.
No need, because power efficiency is sufficient. Cost is likely not great for 2080Ti. But it would unlikely improve on 7nm, especially on newest iteration.
And I do not think nVidia has made enough of changes and finished improvements from TU to go for another tapeout so soon.
Agree. Plus AMD postponed Navi so they would just be competing with themselves.
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#5640682 Posted on: 02/17/2019 12:39 PM
There is no need. And likely no ready architecture update either.
No need, because power efficiency is sufficient. Cost is likely not great for 2080Ti. But it would unlikely improve on 7nm, especially on newest iteration.
And I do not think nVidia has made enough of changes and finished improvements from TU to go for another tapeout so soon.
There is definitely a need, 12nm is an expensive high loss node and the die is too large, too hot and too power hungry.
There is no need. And likely no ready architecture update either.
No need, because power efficiency is sufficient. Cost is likely not great for 2080Ti. But it would unlikely improve on 7nm, especially on newest iteration.
And I do not think nVidia has made enough of changes and finished improvements from TU to go for another tapeout so soon.
There is definitely a need, 12nm is an expensive high loss node and the die is too large, too hot and too power hungry.
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#5640764 Posted on: 02/17/2019 06:08 PM
Less to do with the nm, more to do with the architecture. You can have the best node processing in the world, and still have a horrible architecture that performs horribly. I'm not saying AMD's current architecture is "horrible", but i am saying that AMD needs to make their architecture better and worry about that, not worry about a refined process of 7nm technology.
Hopefully this along with some architecture improvements will help amd a bit more considering even current 7nm AMD cant touch Nvidias 12/16nm.
Less to do with the nm, more to do with the architecture. You can have the best node processing in the world, and still have a horrible architecture that performs horribly. I'm not saying AMD's current architecture is "horrible", but i am saying that AMD needs to make their architecture better and worry about that, not worry about a refined process of 7nm technology.
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awesome, then we're all set for a July/August refresh of Turin on 7nm EUV.