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TSMC Starts 10nm production in 2016
TSMC recently stated that their 10nm volume production is still already close-by, they will ramp to volume production if 10nm process fabbed wafers next year in 2016 already.
The company shared whis information in a recent Q2-2015 earnings call. "The recent progress of our 10 nanometer technology development is very encouraging and on track with our plan," joint-CEO Mark Liu said. TSMC will start 10nm production at its existing Taichung, Taiwan site, where the chipmaker will later embark on production at more advanced technology nodes.
That means Q1 v2017 we should be able to see the first 10nm chips and products based on 10nm, followed by 7nm in 2017.
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#5125512 Posted on: 07/20/2015 09:48 AM
^ They can make 10nm, maybe even 6nm, question is how it performs.
Intel's 10nm may not be capable to reach performance level of 32nm. But it does eat less power.
That really are questions which should be ask. How high it can clock? What does it cost per transistor(square mm)? And how power efficient it actually is if clocked as high as older and tuned 28nm?
Once put together we'll know if that 10 nm is any good to us PC crowd or not.
Edit: IBM made that 7nm SiGe device, which as they claim has double density than 10nm. There is good question too, how different heat waste signature has this.
And apparently as IBM is selling foundries to GloFo,, they are working with Samsung & GloFo. So I expect them to have this in time.
^ They can make 10nm, maybe even 6nm, question is how it performs.
Intel's 10nm may not be capable to reach performance level of 32nm. But it does eat less power.
That really are questions which should be ask. How high it can clock? What does it cost per transistor(square mm)? And how power efficient it actually is if clocked as high as older and tuned 28nm?
Once put together we'll know if that 10 nm is any good to us PC crowd or not.
Edit: IBM made that 7nm SiGe device, which as they claim has double density than 10nm. There is good question too, how different heat waste signature has this.
And apparently as IBM is selling foundries to GloFo,, they are working with Samsung & GloFo. So I expect them to have this in time.
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#5125534 Posted on: 07/20/2015 11:03 AM
So, news announcements from the big companies have now turned into click-bait bull**** too.
In reality, MAYBE we will all see 14nm used for actual processors by mid 2016.
Also, intels 22nm is the same size as other`s 32nm or so. They basically just lie. Yes, thats right. FCUK IT! Lets just LIE.
So, news announcements from the big companies have now turned into click-bait bull**** too.
In reality, MAYBE we will all see 14nm used for actual processors by mid 2016.
Also, intels 22nm is the same size as other`s 32nm or so. They basically just lie. Yes, thats right. FCUK IT! Lets just LIE.
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#5125570 Posted on: 07/20/2015 12:16 PM
So, news announcements from the big companies have now turned into click-bait bull**** too.
In reality, MAYBE we will all see 14nm used for actual processors by mid 2016.
Also, intels 22nm is the same size as other`s 32nm or so. They basically just lie. Yes, thats right. FCUK IT! Lets just LIE.
Source?
Also Broadwell is 14nm.
So, news announcements from the big companies have now turned into click-bait bull**** too.
In reality, MAYBE we will all see 14nm used for actual processors by mid 2016.
Also, intels 22nm is the same size as other`s 32nm or so. They basically just lie. Yes, thats right. FCUK IT! Lets just LIE.
Source?
Also Broadwell is 14nm.
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#5125589 Posted on: 07/20/2015 01:02 PM
Source?
Also Broadwell is 14nm.
I cant be asked to go find you a specific source. This has been heard many times from those who pay close attention how intel calculates their nm.
They ALL calculate the nm, and then advertise the calculated results. On intels 22nm, the smallest measurable distance is somewhere about 50nm for example. Similar on AMD`s 32nm. AMD calculates the nm they are going to advertise the same way most do. Intel goes an extra step and lies a bit more.
This IS common knowledge for those who have been paying attention to this tech world for a while. If you really care about it, invest your own time a bit, im sure you`ll find many sources (usually with microscope pics of transistors and stuff).
Source?
Also Broadwell is 14nm.
I cant be asked to go find you a specific source. This has been heard many times from those who pay close attention how intel calculates their nm.
They ALL calculate the nm, and then advertise the calculated results. On intels 22nm, the smallest measurable distance is somewhere about 50nm for example. Similar on AMD`s 32nm. AMD calculates the nm they are going to advertise the same way most do. Intel goes an extra step and lies a bit more.
This IS common knowledge for those who have been paying attention to this tech world for a while. If you really care about it, invest your own time a bit, im sure you`ll find many sources (usually with microscope pics of transistors and stuff).
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Are you sure sugars from Tsmc?
Intel has trouble with 14nm,they have biliions of bilions of money,and now with 10nm.
And now what? Tsmc have found the golden fish and they will start production of 10nm. PR stinks in their company.
Sweet dreams Tsmc.