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Threadripper 3000 CPUs Not Likely Compatible with X399 motherboards
Yuri Bubily, aka 1usmus from the DRAM Calculator (and Guru3D forums user) spilled some beans on X399 compatibility with Threadripper 3000, according to his words, there's won't be any. And that would fall in place with the rumored chipsets like TRX40 and TRX80 we've heard about.
Yuri mentions very little about Threadripper 3000 really, as all information is disclosed, however, he does quite specifically hint that Zen2 architecture based Threadrippers processors require a redesigned pin layout. This is mainly due to the fact that the processors have a new single memory controller as well as added pins for PCIe 4.0.
1usmus - Hey. Unfortunately there is not very good news, AMD has changed its mind about making X399 compatible with the new generation. For this reason, HEDT disappeared from all calendars and the release of these processors was forced to postpone.
Since the new processor has a new memory controller and he in a single copy (instead of two as before) had to seriously change the pins. Also, the new PCI Gen 4 standard and new power pins made a special contribution. TRX40 and TRX80 are a new generation and a new architecture. Nothing to do with the past generation.
At the moment, all information is classified and I do not have access to it
We already mentioned we expect to see new motherboards and chipsets for Threadripper. Three model names have surfaced named TRX40, WRX80 and TRX80. Threadripper 3000 remains to be massively interesting, but with up to 16 cores on Ryzen 3950X, who is actually going to go for Threadripper. Well, that would be the folks on a workstation, developers, content creators prosumers and render farms. Earlier USB.org posted AMD 2019 Premium chipsets and there has been a recent update: Model Number: Superset, X570, TRX40, WRX80, TRX80.
TRX 40 and TRX80 might be more consumer and workstation oriented with perhaps some differentiation on memory channels (4-channels /8-channels). The massive mega cores (hey 64c/128t is possible) in all likelihood is intended for the WRX80, which would be a kind of Epyc.
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#5715540 Posted on: 09/29/2019 10:10 PM
Here comes the AMD fanboys defending this move.
Here comes the AMD fanboys defending this move.
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#5715541 Posted on: 09/29/2019 10:11 PM
No
You just came with another stupid comment...
Here comes the AMD fanboys defending this move.
No
You just came with another stupid comment...
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#5715552 Posted on: 09/29/2019 11:39 PM
I will remain skeptical, frankly if epic 2 cpus are drop in to older sp3 boards, there is little reason for amd to prevent compatibility.
limiting the boards available while they are still in the process of gaining market-share in the hedt space, seems like a bad move.
I will remain skeptical, frankly if epic 2 cpus are drop in to older sp3 boards, there is little reason for amd to prevent compatibility.
limiting the boards available while they are still in the process of gaining market-share in the hedt space, seems like a bad move.
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#5715558 Posted on: 09/30/2019 12:21 AM
No
You just came with another stupid comment...
Each time Intel does something right, this site goes "But AMD has ". Then, each time AMD does a bad thing or has a mishaps, this site goes "Well, you know, it's not that bad" (wording will vary). You cannot deny this.
No
You just came with another stupid comment...
Each time Intel does something right, this site goes "But AMD has ". Then, each time AMD does a bad thing or has a mishaps, this site goes "Well, you know, it's not that bad" (wording will vary). You cannot deny this.
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#5715564 Posted on: 09/30/2019 12:48 AM
I believe it is logic that up to two close generation cpus must be accepted by the same mobo for new or used upgrade ecosystems. The benefits from new chipset outdoes the cost. Be real. Don't be plebs and peasants.
I believe it is logic that up to two close generation cpus must be accepted by the same mobo for new or used upgrade ecosystems. The benefits from new chipset outdoes the cost. Be real. Don't be plebs and peasants.
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#5715565 Posted on: 09/30/2019 12:53 AM
It is a good method of generating additional revenue. Not exactly fair to consumers if true ...
It is a good method of generating additional revenue. Not exactly fair to consumers if true ...
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#5715567 Posted on: 09/30/2019 12:57 AM
Here comes the Intel Fanboys posting useless BS in an AMD thread with no actual content.
Here comes the AMD fanboys defending this move.
Here comes the Intel Fanboys posting useless BS in an AMD thread with no actual content.
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#5715570 Posted on: 09/30/2019 01:06 AM
haha^...you do have a point but it works both ways also/ I would say it's 50/50 here and that is good.....always remember the same people praising AMD now we're bashing them not so long ago...nothing wrong with new/old fanboys.
Threadripper is a different Beast so I can understand both sides of the argument
Each time Intel does something right, this site goes "But AMD has ". Then, each time AMD does a bad thing or has a mishaps, this site goes "Well, you know, it's not that bad" (wording will vary). You cannot deny this.
haha^...you do have a point but it works both ways also/ I would say it's 50/50 here and that is good.....always remember the same people praising AMD now we're bashing them not so long ago...nothing wrong with new/old fanboys.
Threadripper is a different Beast so I can understand both sides of the argument
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#5715571 Posted on: 09/30/2019 01:08 AM
Seems like a good move from a design point of view. Multiple memory controllers has been a performance stumbling block for the zen and zen + based TR.
Seems like a good move from a design point of view. Multiple memory controllers has been a performance stumbling block for the zen and zen + based TR.
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#5715606 Posted on: 09/30/2019 06:48 AM
If its a move for progress then its okay with me
And some will moan even if they do not need all them cores :p
Oh! I forgot , ' Am I a intel or Amd fan boy? '
What a load of cobblers when you read these between the posts. Don't know why this comes about. Buy what you want to buy.
If its a move for progress then its okay with me
And some will moan even if they do not need all them cores :p
Oh! I forgot , ' Am I a intel or Amd fan boy? '
What a load of cobblers when you read these between the posts. Don't know why this comes about. Buy what you want to buy.
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#5715645 Posted on: 09/30/2019 08:27 AM
I will remain skeptical, frankly if epic 2 cpus are drop in to older sp3 boards, there is little reason for amd to prevent compatibility.
limiting the boards available while they are still in the process of gaining market-share in the hedt space, seems like a bad move.
No because Epyc is Pro (and already have a special Pro socket ) same base but not same CPU (a bit like 1151 vs 2066).
There is not enough difference TR vs Epyc and TR vs Ryzen so i think that making this change, if it is confirmed of course, could benefit to the whole AMD CPU line, creating real distinctive line per name.
I will remain skeptical, frankly if epic 2 cpus are drop in to older sp3 boards, there is little reason for amd to prevent compatibility.
limiting the boards available while they are still in the process of gaining market-share in the hedt space, seems like a bad move.
No because Epyc is Pro (and already have a special Pro socket ) same base but not same CPU (a bit like 1151 vs 2066).
There is not enough difference TR vs Epyc and TR vs Ryzen so i think that making this change, if it is confirmed of course, could benefit to the whole AMD CPU line, creating real distinctive line per name.
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#5715648 Posted on: 09/30/2019 08:40 AM
Soo my 2990Wx become by worthless ... baad amd...***** ***** *********
i have taichi x399... i have now three M.2 ssd s and want another,,, with pcie 4.... and pci-4 lanes too.. +another features.. witch now have 570 chipset mobos
And for this i must buy NEW CPU..?!!?!?!? about 2000 usd .. +mobo with new chipset WR80..600-800usd ,, what the hell with you amd? i have HI END cpu 2990wx and now you make my cpu worthless fff.. , non upgradable ,, soo i loose 1800 usd,
All intel fan have true and right to make eeess from whole amd ..this is crazy from amd,
Soo my 2990Wx become by worthless ... baad amd...***** ***** *********
i have taichi x399... i have now three M.2 ssd s and want another,,, with pcie 4.... and pci-4 lanes too.. +another features.. witch now have 570 chipset mobos
And for this i must buy NEW CPU..?!!?!?!? about 2000 usd .. +mobo with new chipset WR80..600-800usd ,, what the hell with you amd? i have HI END cpu 2990wx and now you make my cpu worthless fff.. , non upgradable ,, soo i loose 1800 usd,
All intel fan have true and right to make eeess from whole amd ..this is crazy from amd,
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#5715651 Posted on: 09/30/2019 08:44 AM
AMD has retained BC where it could, sometimes breaking changes happen.
This isn't like intel who moves a pin just to fuck with consumers.
AMD has retained BC where it could, sometimes breaking changes happen.
This isn't like intel who moves a pin just to fuck with consumers.
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#5715655 Posted on: 09/30/2019 09:02 AM
If this is true it will really, really piss me off, I move from Intel to Threadripper because they mentioned before they were going to be compatible, so I went for the 1920x in the hopes of moving to 3xxx also I don't see how X399 can't benefit from it, There are already 32 cores 64 thread Threadripper, sure they can at least release a 24 and 32 Threadripper 3xxxx and then more than that move to a new board, I honestly hope there is something for x399 boards.
And not I am not defending Intel, the thing that at least I know Intel will make me change boards every single new stupid CPU so I never buy top of the line for that reason, I Bought a top of the line X399 thinking it will last me longer, so I really hope at least one a couple a new CPUs comes for this platform.
If this is true it will really, really piss me off, I move from Intel to Threadripper because they mentioned before they were going to be compatible, so I went for the 1920x in the hopes of moving to 3xxx also I don't see how X399 can't benefit from it, There are already 32 cores 64 thread Threadripper, sure they can at least release a 24 and 32 Threadripper 3xxxx and then more than that move to a new board, I honestly hope there is something for x399 boards.
And not I am not defending Intel, the thing that at least I know Intel will make me change boards every single new stupid CPU so I never buy top of the line for that reason, I Bought a top of the line X399 thinking it will last me longer, so I really hope at least one a couple a new CPUs comes for this platform.
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Suddenly my Asrock x399 pro got worthless. I hoped to upgrade my 1950x with gen 3 threadripper
Hopfully the new MB's is worth the new upgrades