MSI GeForce RTX 3070 Gaming X TRIO review
ASUS GeForce RTX 3070 TUF Gaming review
Radeon Series RX 6800 (XT) and 6900 XT preview & analysis
ASUS TUF LC240 RGB LCS review
GeForce RTX 3070 Founder edition review
Guru3D Rig of the Month - October 2020
Corsair 4000D PC Chassis Review
TeamGroup EX2 SSD 1TB review
Deepcool AS500 air cooler review
Leven JS600 1 TB SATA3 SSD review
Tesla Finally Unveils $35,000 Standard Model 3
Not to confuse it with the premium Model 3 that is available and pushed the $35,000 Tesla Model 3 has finally arrived, CEO Elon Musk says. The low-cost model does come with a number compromises mostly on Tesla's end as they would be closing stores and make online purchases available only.
The Standard Range base model starts at $35,000 and has a top speed of 130mph/ 210 km/h, it can accelerate from 0-60mph in 5.6 seconds. Tesla will also offers a Model 3 Standard Range plus at a starting price of $37,000, which has 240 miles of range, a top speed of 140mph and 0-60mph acceleration in 5.3 seconds. New is also a model for $ 40,000 with premium equipment, 425 km range and 225 km/h top speed. In this version, the leather seats are heated at the rear and front. There are also 14 speakers, satellite image maps with live traffic visualization and navigation, Internet streaming for music and an internet browser
Tesla announced that it is shifting sales worldwide to online only to “achieve these prices while remaining financially sustainable.”
“Shifting all sales online, combined with other ongoing cost efficiencies, will enable us to lower all vehicle prices by about 6% on average, allowing us to achieve the $35,000 Model 3 price point earlier than we expected,” the company said in a statement.
“Over the next few months, we will be winding down many of our stores, with a small number of stores in high-traffic locations remaining as galleries, showcases and Tesla information centers,” the statement continued. “The important thing for customers in the United States to understand is that, with online sales, anyone in any state can quickly and easily buy a Tesla.”
Tesla said the three new models could be delivered within the next two to four weeks. Reservation holders are still preferred. In Europe, the new models should be available within the next three to six months.
Aura89
Senior Member
Posts: 8078
Joined: 2008-07-31
Senior Member
Posts: 8078
Joined: 2008-07-31
#5647481 Posted on: 03/07/2019 06:18 PM
I assume the 35 hours is for USA where they have standard outlets at 120V with 20A circuit breaker making it a grand total of 2.4W and making the battery 84kWh.
240v is standard in USA homes for various appliances and can easily be installed, if anyone is trying to charge their vehicle with a extremely basic 120v 20a socket, thats on them as again i have zero understanding why someone would buy an expensive electric vehicle and then not even remotely do their due dilligence on their home electric recharge setup.
Again not saying its not possible, but that is 100% user error at that point. Or at least user carelessness.
You do realize that you can, EASILY, and not very expensively, install different, higher voltage, higher amperage outlets in your house, right? There is ZERO reason someone would use the most basic eletrical setup in their home after buying a tesla, UNLESS they do not NEED a better setup, which will make the whole point moot anyways.
Fact is you can and WILL if you are buying an eletrical vehicle, also install whatever circuit that is needed for your own INDIVIDUAL needs based off your typical commute.
That's what keeps being said here yet you keep replying like worse case scenarios are what people must be stuck with, i don't get that.
I assume the 35 hours is for USA where they have standard outlets at 120V with 20A circuit breaker making it a grand total of 2.4W and making the battery 84kWh.
240v is standard in USA homes for various appliances and can easily be installed, if anyone is trying to charge their vehicle with a extremely basic 120v 20a socket, thats on them as again i have zero understanding why someone would buy an expensive electric vehicle and then not even remotely do their due dilligence on their home electric recharge setup.
Again not saying its not possible, but that is 100% user error at that point. Or at least user carelessness.
You do realize that you can, EASILY, and not very expensively, install different, higher voltage, higher amperage outlets in your house, right? There is ZERO reason someone would use the most basic eletrical setup in their home after buying a tesla, UNLESS they do not NEED a better setup, which will make the whole point moot anyways.
Fact is you can and WILL if you are buying an eletrical vehicle, also install whatever circuit that is needed for your own INDIVIDUAL needs based off your typical commute.
That's what keeps being said here yet you keep replying like worse case scenarios are what people must be stuck with, i don't get that.
Backstabak
Senior Member
Posts: 652
Joined: 2015-11-13
Senior Member
Posts: 652
Joined: 2015-11-13
#5647856 Posted on: 03/08/2019 05:32 PM
240v is standard in USA homes for various appliances and can easily be installed, if anyone is trying to charge their vehicle with a extremely basic 120v 20a socket, thats on them as again i have zero understanding why someone would buy an expensive electric vehicle and then not even remotely do their due dilligence on their home electric recharge setup.
As you've said the standard is 120V/20A and as far as I know the 240V or more in a typical house/flat can be gained only using 3 phases (voltage between phases), this therefore requires additional wiring. I wouldn't say it's that easy to install, as you would need to drill into your walls, floor or ceiling to install those wires. It's probably OK solution in a house and a terrible one if you live in a flat and charge your EV parked outside through an extension cord (which isn't so unusual).
That's what keeps being said here yet you keep replying like worse case scenarios are what people must be stuck with, i don't get that.
Why is everything so black and white to you? It's like to you, the only distances people drive are either over 100km, or less than 5km, with no in-between. That in-between is the vast majority of travel distance people do.
Although this seems a bit outdated, I don't think trends for commuters have changed a whole lot in the past few years:
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Transport/Commute/Distance#-amount
I assume this isn't round-trip, so basically double those numbers. The battery capacity of most EVs is more than enough to meet those needs without worrying about range. The charge rate of a typical "level 1 charger" could easily meet those demands.
You keep using the worst most and either you don't know what the word most means or you have some issue hyperbolizing everything.
According to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics only 3.3 million americans travel at least 50 miles one-way to work - so .01% of the population travels at least 1/3rd the range of a LR Model 3 and/or Model S/X. The average American commute is 16 miles - which I'd definitely consider "short distance".
I use the extremes to show you the problem. It's all nice and well to just say this doesn't concern me so EVs are fine, lets roll them on mass and tax everyone who doesn't use them (or subsidize EVs which is essentially the same), but as you can see there are massive problems in some use cases.
240v is standard in USA homes for various appliances and can easily be installed, if anyone is trying to charge their vehicle with a extremely basic 120v 20a socket, thats on them as again i have zero understanding why someone would buy an expensive electric vehicle and then not even remotely do their due dilligence on their home electric recharge setup.
As you've said the standard is 120V/20A and as far as I know the 240V or more in a typical house/flat can be gained only using 3 phases (voltage between phases), this therefore requires additional wiring. I wouldn't say it's that easy to install, as you would need to drill into your walls, floor or ceiling to install those wires. It's probably OK solution in a house and a terrible one if you live in a flat and charge your EV parked outside through an extension cord (which isn't so unusual).
That's what keeps being said here yet you keep replying like worse case scenarios are what people must be stuck with, i don't get that.
Why is everything so black and white to you? It's like to you, the only distances people drive are either over 100km, or less than 5km, with no in-between. That in-between is the vast majority of travel distance people do.
Although this seems a bit outdated, I don't think trends for commuters have changed a whole lot in the past few years:
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Transport/Commute/Distance#-amount
I assume this isn't round-trip, so basically double those numbers. The battery capacity of most EVs is more than enough to meet those needs without worrying about range. The charge rate of a typical "level 1 charger" could easily meet those demands.
You keep using the worst most and either you don't know what the word most means or you have some issue hyperbolizing everything.
According to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics only 3.3 million americans travel at least 50 miles one-way to work - so .01% of the population travels at least 1/3rd the range of a LR Model 3 and/or Model S/X. The average American commute is 16 miles - which I'd definitely consider "short distance".
I use the extremes to show you the problem. It's all nice and well to just say this doesn't concern me so EVs are fine, lets roll them on mass and tax everyone who doesn't use them (or subsidize EVs which is essentially the same), but as you can see there are massive problems in some use cases.
schmidtbag
Senior Member
Posts: 5409
Joined: 2012-11-10
Senior Member
Posts: 5409
Joined: 2012-11-10
#5647863 Posted on: 03/08/2019 05:47 PM
No, you were very clearly using those examples as a way to entirely dismiss EVs as "gimmicks". As has been stated many times, EVs aren't for everyone, but as a means of transportation, they work fine for the vast majority of commuters (that doesn't mean they are compatible with everyone at home, I'm just speaking in terms of their function). If it doesn't fit you needs, that's fine; don't buy one. That doesn't make it a gimmick and that doesn't mean they aren't good options for some people. From the very beginning, you were suggesting they're the wrong approach based solely on your needs or these extremes. Different products exist to meet different demands. You almost never see anyone with a 1.6L engine towing trailers. Small cars like that suck at family road trips too. Does that mean people shouldn't buy those? Of course not - those cars are purpose-built for specific use-cases. So are EVs.
Also in most parts of the world, you're not taxed for using non-EVs. In some places (like the US) there's a tax deduction for EVs but no penalty for anything else.
I use the extremes to show you the problem. It's all nice and well to just say this doesn't concern me so EVs are fine, lets roll them on mass and tax everyone who doesn't use them (or subsidize EVs which is essentially the same), but as you can see there are massive problems in some use cases.
No, you were very clearly using those examples as a way to entirely dismiss EVs as "gimmicks". As has been stated many times, EVs aren't for everyone, but as a means of transportation, they work fine for the vast majority of commuters (that doesn't mean they are compatible with everyone at home, I'm just speaking in terms of their function). If it doesn't fit you needs, that's fine; don't buy one. That doesn't make it a gimmick and that doesn't mean they aren't good options for some people. From the very beginning, you were suggesting they're the wrong approach based solely on your needs or these extremes. Different products exist to meet different demands. You almost never see anyone with a 1.6L engine towing trailers. Small cars like that suck at family road trips too. Does that mean people shouldn't buy those? Of course not - those cars are purpose-built for specific use-cases. So are EVs.
Also in most parts of the world, you're not taxed for using non-EVs. In some places (like the US) there's a tax deduction for EVs but no penalty for anything else.
Backstabak
Senior Member
Posts: 652
Joined: 2015-11-13
Senior Member
Posts: 652
Joined: 2015-11-13
#5647871 Posted on: 03/08/2019 06:19 PM
No, you were very clearly using those examples as a way to entirely dismiss EVs as "gimmicks". As has been stated many times, EVs aren't for everyone, but as a means of transportation, they work fine for the vast majority of commuters (that doesn't mean they are compatible with everyone at home, I'm just speaking in terms of their function). If it doesn't fit you needs, that's fine; don't buy one. That doesn't make it a gimmick and that doesn't mean they aren't good options for some people. From the very beginning, you were suggesting they're the wrong approach based solely on your needs or these extremes. Different products exist to meet different demands. You almost never see anyone with a 1.6L engine towing trailers. Small cars like that suck at family road trips too. Does that mean people shouldn't buy those? Of course not - those cars are purpose-built for specific use-cases. So are EVs.
Also in most parts of the world, you're not taxed for using non-EVs. In some places (like the US) there's a tax deduction for EVs but no penalty for anything else.
From the very beginning I explained how EVs aren't that better environmentally compared to regular cars and their lack of practicality makes them much worse. Yes, for some people it is not an issue, but overall they are inferior product, that costs more and is also subsidized by many countries. Naturally you can buy whatever you want, I will not. And I am more concerned with the direction of many industries, as low emissions are pushed by i.e. EU and I would probably riot if I were forced to buy EV.
No, you were very clearly using those examples as a way to entirely dismiss EVs as "gimmicks". As has been stated many times, EVs aren't for everyone, but as a means of transportation, they work fine for the vast majority of commuters (that doesn't mean they are compatible with everyone at home, I'm just speaking in terms of their function). If it doesn't fit you needs, that's fine; don't buy one. That doesn't make it a gimmick and that doesn't mean they aren't good options for some people. From the very beginning, you were suggesting they're the wrong approach based solely on your needs or these extremes. Different products exist to meet different demands. You almost never see anyone with a 1.6L engine towing trailers. Small cars like that suck at family road trips too. Does that mean people shouldn't buy those? Of course not - those cars are purpose-built for specific use-cases. So are EVs.
Also in most parts of the world, you're not taxed for using non-EVs. In some places (like the US) there's a tax deduction for EVs but no penalty for anything else.
From the very beginning I explained how EVs aren't that better environmentally compared to regular cars and their lack of practicality makes them much worse. Yes, for some people it is not an issue, but overall they are inferior product, that costs more and is also subsidized by many countries. Naturally you can buy whatever you want, I will not. And I am more concerned with the direction of many industries, as low emissions are pushed by i.e. EU and I would probably riot if I were forced to buy EV.
Click here to post a comment for this news story on the message forum.
Senior Member
Posts: 13110
Joined: 2004-05-16
Well, I can use the same argument. Most people don't travel extremely short distances in their everyday commute like you. Therefore, your use-case does not make EVs a useful purchase.
Anyway, I replied to your remark that somehow home charging station is a panacea for "anyone who has "range anxiety"", which it isn't.
You keep using the worst most and either you don't know what the word most means or you have some issue hyperbolizing everything.
According to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics only 3.3 million americans travel at least 50 miles one-way to work - so .01% of the population travels at least 1/3rd the range of a LR Model 3 and/or Model S/X. The average American commute is 16 miles - which I'd definitely consider "short distance".