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Tesla Finally Unveils $35,000 Standard Model 3
Not to confuse it with the premium Model 3 that is available and pushed the $35,000 Tesla Model 3 has finally arrived, CEO Elon Musk says. The low-cost model does come with a number compromises mostly on Tesla's end as they would be closing stores and make online purchases available only.
The Standard Range base model starts at $35,000 and has a top speed of 130mph/ 210 km/h, it can accelerate from 0-60mph in 5.6 seconds. Tesla will also offers a Model 3 Standard Range plus at a starting price of $37,000, which has 240 miles of range, a top speed of 140mph and 0-60mph acceleration in 5.3 seconds. New is also a model for $ 40,000 with premium equipment, 425 km range and 225 km/h top speed. In this version, the leather seats are heated at the rear and front. There are also 14 speakers, satellite image maps with live traffic visualization and navigation, Internet streaming for music and an internet browser
Tesla announced that it is shifting sales worldwide to online only to “achieve these prices while remaining financially sustainable.”
“Shifting all sales online, combined with other ongoing cost efficiencies, will enable us to lower all vehicle prices by about 6% on average, allowing us to achieve the $35,000 Model 3 price point earlier than we expected,” the company said in a statement.
“Over the next few months, we will be winding down many of our stores, with a small number of stores in high-traffic locations remaining as galleries, showcases and Tesla information centers,” the statement continued. “The important thing for customers in the United States to understand is that, with online sales, anyone in any state can quickly and easily buy a Tesla.”
Tesla said the three new models could be delivered within the next two to four weeks. Reservation holders are still preferred. In Europe, the new models should be available within the next three to six months.
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#5647450 Posted on: 03/07/2019 05:05 PM
Not sure how many times it needs to be specified that most people don't travel that distance for their everyday commute.
Your use-case does not make all EVs a gimmick.
Yes, my home charging installation will be awesome when I'm 300 km away.
Not sure how many times it needs to be specified that most people don't travel that distance for their everyday commute.
Your use-case does not make all EVs a gimmick.
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#5647457 Posted on: 03/07/2019 05:30 PM
As stated above, you're giving a worse case scenario as though no other scenarios exist.
https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/wall-connector
This is obviously just tesla, which means you have the OPTION of faster or slower charging depending on your electrical situation (if, currently, you are buying a Tesla, you then, at least should be expected to, be able to put in whatever power source you want based off your own needs), given the fact that the range on the teslas are 300ish miles depending on model, and your statement of "half" capacity would mean 150ish miles, then by the calculations provided above, to charge it back up would require:
5 hours for Model X (to from 150 to 300)
4.1 hours for Model S (to from 150 to 300)
3.4 hours for Model 3 (to from 150 to 300)
Nowhere near your mythical 15 hours, in fact double that to charge the whole battery is still less then your 15 hours.....
Now if we base it off real-world, max range, then:
It'll take 9.8 hours to charge a Model X to full capacity from nothing (295 mile range on model X, 4.4 hours to charge it half way)
It'll take 9.8 hours to charge a Model S to full capacity from nothing (335 mile range on Model S long range model, 4.4 hours to charge it half way)
It'll take 7.3 hours to charge a Model 3 to full capacity from nothing (325 mile range on Model 3 long range model, 3.65 hours to charge it half way)
Again, none of it hitting your 15 hour for half a charge
Now, these are best case scenarios, figuring that you have 240v with at least 60 amp circuit on it, i get that, again if you are buying a tesla, and you're not going to do your due diligence and get an electrician out to your garage to set up the best charging situation you can, then i don't even really understand why you're buying a telsa or any electric vehicle at this point since it's more of a luxury then it is anything and if you can afford the vehicle, you can afford to upgrade your garage. But, lets say you don't, lets say you have a 240v 30amp circuit, which is standard for a dryer. Then you're looking at:
21 hours to charge a Model X to full capacity from nothing, 11 hours to charge it half way
19 hours to charge a Model S to full capacity from nothing, 8.5 hours to charge it half way
14 hours to charge a Model 3 to full capacity from nothing, 7 hours to charge it half way
Now, this in my opinion is 'worse case scenario', since as stated above, 240v 30amp circuit is standard for a dryer, i'm not sure why you'd have anything less then this, to calculate less then this is realistically only so you can do the math. This still does not hit your 15 hours to charge it half way statement, but i will say that 11 hours to charge it half way, if you use half of it each day, will likely be a problem at some point, but that's for the Model X......i bring that up because....the base price for the Model X is near $80,000, and again, the idea that someone spends $80k on a vehicle but doesn't even try and upgrade their garages electrical system?......What?! That just doesn't make sense, i'm not saying it's impossible, but it seriously does not make sense and that's fault of the user not of the technology.
Don't fault technology just because you want to view it from a specific point and do not wish to change your viewpoint.
I just googled the typical charging time for tesla model 3 which it says is 20 - 30h
However, you might be right that it's a bit extreme so I looked here: https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicles/tesla/2019/model-3-long
I assume the 35 hours is for USA where they have standard outlets at 120V with 20A circuit breaker making it a grand total of 2.4W and making the battery 84kWh.
The only way to get more is to use a 3 phase circuit where you can draw that 20A from each phase making it grand total 7.2kW and the charge time around 12h. However that is definitely not standard home outlet that everyone has. You can also argue about Europe, where standard outlet is 230V and 16A, so you can draw 3.7kW (23h) or 11kW with three phases (8h), but again that isn't a standard home outlet. If you therefore travel to work and then back and spend over half of the charge on it and then take around 10hourse charging at home with your standard outlet, you wouldn't be able to charge your battery fully. Even though it's not as severe as I first argued.
As stated above, you're giving a worse case scenario as though no other scenarios exist.
https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/wall-connector
This is obviously just tesla, which means you have the OPTION of faster or slower charging depending on your electrical situation (if, currently, you are buying a Tesla, you then, at least should be expected to, be able to put in whatever power source you want based off your own needs), given the fact that the range on the teslas are 300ish miles depending on model, and your statement of "half" capacity would mean 150ish miles, then by the calculations provided above, to charge it back up would require:
5 hours for Model X (to from 150 to 300)
4.1 hours for Model S (to from 150 to 300)
3.4 hours for Model 3 (to from 150 to 300)
Nowhere near your mythical 15 hours, in fact double that to charge the whole battery is still less then your 15 hours.....
Now if we base it off real-world, max range, then:
It'll take 9.8 hours to charge a Model X to full capacity from nothing (295 mile range on model X, 4.4 hours to charge it half way)
It'll take 9.8 hours to charge a Model S to full capacity from nothing (335 mile range on Model S long range model, 4.4 hours to charge it half way)
It'll take 7.3 hours to charge a Model 3 to full capacity from nothing (325 mile range on Model 3 long range model, 3.65 hours to charge it half way)
Again, none of it hitting your 15 hour for half a charge
Now, these are best case scenarios, figuring that you have 240v with at least 60 amp circuit on it, i get that, again if you are buying a tesla, and you're not going to do your due diligence and get an electrician out to your garage to set up the best charging situation you can, then i don't even really understand why you're buying a telsa or any electric vehicle at this point since it's more of a luxury then it is anything and if you can afford the vehicle, you can afford to upgrade your garage. But, lets say you don't, lets say you have a 240v 30amp circuit, which is standard for a dryer. Then you're looking at:
21 hours to charge a Model X to full capacity from nothing, 11 hours to charge it half way
19 hours to charge a Model S to full capacity from nothing, 8.5 hours to charge it half way
14 hours to charge a Model 3 to full capacity from nothing, 7 hours to charge it half way
Now, this in my opinion is 'worse case scenario', since as stated above, 240v 30amp circuit is standard for a dryer, i'm not sure why you'd have anything less then this, to calculate less then this is realistically only so you can do the math. This still does not hit your 15 hours to charge it half way statement, but i will say that 11 hours to charge it half way, if you use half of it each day, will likely be a problem at some point, but that's for the Model X......i bring that up because....the base price for the Model X is near $80,000, and again, the idea that someone spends $80k on a vehicle but doesn't even try and upgrade their garages electrical system?......What?! That just doesn't make sense, i'm not saying it's impossible, but it seriously does not make sense and that's fault of the user not of the technology.
Don't fault technology just because you want to view it from a specific point and do not wish to change your viewpoint.
I just googled the typical charging time for tesla model 3 which it says is 20 - 30h
However, you might be right that it's a bit extreme so I looked here: https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicles/tesla/2019/model-3-long
I assume the 35 hours is for USA where they have standard outlets at 120V with 20A circuit breaker making it a grand total of 2.4W and making the battery 84kWh.
The only way to get more is to use a 3 phase circuit where you can draw that 20A from each phase making it grand total 7.2kW and the charge time around 12h. However that is definitely not standard home outlet that everyone has. You can also argue about Europe, where standard outlet is 230V and 16A, so you can draw 3.7kW (23h) or 11kW with three phases (8h), but again that isn't a standard home outlet. If you therefore travel to work and then back and spend over half of the charge on it and then take around 10hourse charging at home with your standard outlet, you wouldn't be able to charge your battery fully. Even though it's not as severe as I first argued.
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#5647460 Posted on: 03/07/2019 05:35 PM
Not sure how many times it needs to be specified that most people don't travel that distance for their everyday commute.
Your use-case does not make all EVs a gimmick.
Well, I can use the same argument. Most people don't travel extremely short distances in their everyday commute like you. Therefore, your use-case does not make EVs a useful purchase.
Anyway, I replied to your remark that somehow home charging station is a panacea for "anyone who has "range anxiety"", which it isn't.
Not sure how many times it needs to be specified that most people don't travel that distance for their everyday commute.
Your use-case does not make all EVs a gimmick.
Well, I can use the same argument. Most people don't travel extremely short distances in their everyday commute like you. Therefore, your use-case does not make EVs a useful purchase.
Anyway, I replied to your remark that somehow home charging station is a panacea for "anyone who has "range anxiety"", which it isn't.
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#5647466 Posted on: 03/07/2019 05:43 PM
Well, I can use the same argument. Most people don't travel extremely short distances in their everyday commute like you. Therefore, your use-case does not make EVs a useful purchase.
Anyway, I replied to your remark that somehow home charging station is a panacea for "anyone who has "range anxiety"", which it isn't.
Why is everything so black and white to you? It's like to you, the only distances people drive are either over 100km, or less than 5km, with no in-between. That in-between is the vast majority of travel distance people do.
Although this seems a bit outdated, I don't think trends for commuters have changed a whole lot in the past few years:
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Transport/Commute/Distance#-amount
I assume this isn't round-trip, so basically double those numbers. The battery capacity of most EVs is more than enough to meet those needs without worrying about range. The charge rate of a typical "level 1 charger" could easily meet those demands.
Well, I can use the same argument. Most people don't travel extremely short distances in their everyday commute like you. Therefore, your use-case does not make EVs a useful purchase.
Anyway, I replied to your remark that somehow home charging station is a panacea for "anyone who has "range anxiety"", which it isn't.
Why is everything so black and white to you? It's like to you, the only distances people drive are either over 100km, or less than 5km, with no in-between. That in-between is the vast majority of travel distance people do.
Although this seems a bit outdated, I don't think trends for commuters have changed a whole lot in the past few years:
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Transport/Commute/Distance#-amount
I assume this isn't round-trip, so basically double those numbers. The battery capacity of most EVs is more than enough to meet those needs without worrying about range. The charge rate of a typical "level 1 charger" could easily meet those demands.
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Not if you have a fast charger. Anyone who has "range anxiety" has one of these things.
And the video I linked to begs to differ. So yes, we will have to agree to disagree.
Yes, my home charging installation will be awesome when I'm 300 km away.