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Supermicro along with Apple and Amazon refute claims in Bloomberg story
Super Micro Computer, Inc. (SMCI), a global leader in enterprise computing, storage, networking solutions and green computing technology, strongly refutes reports that servers it sold to customers contained malicious microchips in the motherboards of those systems.
In an article today, it is alleged that Supermicro motherboards sold to certain customers contained malicious chips on its motherboards in 2015. Supermicro has never found any malicious chips, nor been informed by any customer that such chips have been found.
Each company mentioned in the article (Supermicro,
Supermicro has never been contacted by any government agencies either domestic or foreign regarding the alleged claims.
Supermicro takes all security claims very seriously and makes continuous investments in the security capabilities of their products. The manufacture of motherboards in
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#5594044 Posted on: 10/09/2018 01:28 AM
you are forgetting that this is a state actor.
SuperMicro may or may not know where the shipments are bound, but China can easily manipulate that with export controls.
also, passive sensor technology has been progressing by leaps and bounds. who knows what the State Labs in China (or here) produce?
the U.S., back when only the U.S. and Japan made computer components, had back-doors into just about every hdd and a lot of the early networks. some of which were hardware, not software. i know this for a fact as i worked for the premier manufacturer of optical drives and optical technology and we had to operate under certain controls...and these were ROM.
every early laptop was essentially "bugged" until Chinese manufacturing came online.
this is not paranoia, it's fact of record so i'm very cynical.
The Chinese manufacturers have no way of knowing which SuperMicro customers are going to receive which boards unless SuperMicro ignores security protocols and tells the manufacturing plant.
I worked for a manufacturing plant. Due to potential security issues, we only knew what company commissioned the manufacture of parts, the design specifications, the number of units to produce and the production deadline. If anyone inquired as to who the parts were destined for, they were removed from the property by security personnel. We were even forbidden from discussing exactly what parts our particular departments were producing.
I find it hard to believe that a server company, selling products to the US Gov't, would not have similar security protocols in place to ensure the safety of their customers. I also find it hard to believe that SuperMicro would not verify their product designs upon receipt of said products. That's generally part of QA.
you are forgetting that this is a state actor.
SuperMicro may or may not know where the shipments are bound, but China can easily manipulate that with export controls.
also, passive sensor technology has been progressing by leaps and bounds. who knows what the State Labs in China (or here) produce?
the U.S., back when only the U.S. and Japan made computer components, had back-doors into just about every hdd and a lot of the early networks. some of which were hardware, not software. i know this for a fact as i worked for the premier manufacturer of optical drives and optical technology and we had to operate under certain controls...and these were ROM.
every early laptop was essentially "bugged" until Chinese manufacturing came online.
this is not paranoia, it's fact of record so i'm very cynical.
The Chinese manufacturers have no way of knowing which SuperMicro customers are going to receive which boards unless SuperMicro ignores security protocols and tells the manufacturing plant.
I worked for a manufacturing plant. Due to potential security issues, we only knew what company commissioned the manufacture of parts, the design specifications, the number of units to produce and the production deadline. If anyone inquired as to who the parts were destined for, they were removed from the property by security personnel. We were even forbidden from discussing exactly what parts our particular departments were producing.
I find it hard to believe that a server company, selling products to the US Gov't, would not have similar security protocols in place to ensure the safety of their customers. I also find it hard to believe that SuperMicro would not verify their product designs upon receipt of said products. That's generally part of QA.
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#5594809 Posted on: 10/10/2018 04:27 PM
As this story has unfolded, another networking company...with it's CIO a former Mossad information tech officer, and the former head of the Mossad as it's CEO (Sepio systems) has found more evidence of Chinese hardware tampering.
"Unusual communications from a Supermicro server and a subsequent physical inspection revealed an implant built into the server’s Ethernet connector, a component that's used to attach network cables to the computer, Appleboum said.
The executive said he has seen similar manipulations of different vendors' computer hardware made by contractors in China, not just products from Supermicro. “Supermicro is a victim -- so is everyone else,” he said. Appleboum said his concern is that there are countless points in the supply chain in China where manipulations can be introduced, and deducing them can in many cases be impossible. “That's the problem with the Chinese supply chain,” he said."
Sykosis, i know you have a hard time with this, i do not.
i've worked in electronics and electronics manufacturing for almost 40 years and i know this is not just possible or even probable, it is Most Likely. the US has been doing stuff like this for decades (especially IBM, HP, WD, et al) so why do you think China, with it's new access to markets would not? seriously, you are quite smart, but you are also naive.
As this story has unfolded, another networking company...with it's CIO a former Mossad information tech officer, and the former head of the Mossad as it's CEO (Sepio systems) has found more evidence of Chinese hardware tampering.
"Unusual communications from a Supermicro server and a subsequent physical inspection revealed an implant built into the server’s Ethernet connector, a component that's used to attach network cables to the computer, Appleboum said.
The executive said he has seen similar manipulations of different vendors' computer hardware made by contractors in China, not just products from Supermicro. “Supermicro is a victim -- so is everyone else,” he said. Appleboum said his concern is that there are countless points in the supply chain in China where manipulations can be introduced, and deducing them can in many cases be impossible. “That's the problem with the Chinese supply chain,” he said."
Sykosis, i know you have a hard time with this, i do not.
i've worked in electronics and electronics manufacturing for almost 40 years and i know this is not just possible or even probable, it is Most Likely. the US has been doing stuff like this for decades (especially IBM, HP, WD, et al) so why do you think China, with it's new access to markets would not? seriously, you are quite smart, but you are also naive.
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#5594863 Posted on: 10/10/2018 05:53 PM
As this story has unfolded, another networking company...with it's CIO a former Mossad information tech officer, and the former head of the Mossad as it's CEO (Sepio systems) has found more evidence of Chinese hardware tampering.
"Unusual communications from a Supermicro server and a subsequent physical inspection revealed an implant built into the server’s Ethernet connector, a component that's used to attach network cables to the computer, Appleboum said.
The executive said he has seen similar manipulations of different vendors' computer hardware made by contractors in China, not just products from Supermicro. “Supermicro is a victim -- so is everyone else,” he said. Appleboum said his concern is that there are countless points in the supply chain in China where manipulations can be introduced, and deducing them can in many cases be impossible. “That's the problem with the Chinese supply chain,” he said."
Sykosis, i know you have a hard time with this, i do not.
i've worked in electronics and electronics manufacturing for almost 40 years and i know this is not just possible or even probable, it is Most Likely. the US has been doing stuff like this for decades (especially IBM, HP, WD, et al) so why do you think China, with it's new access to markets would not? seriously, you are quite smart, but you are also naive.
Do you maybe have a link for further reading into that?
As this story has unfolded, another networking company...with it's CIO a former Mossad information tech officer, and the former head of the Mossad as it's CEO (Sepio systems) has found more evidence of Chinese hardware tampering.
"Unusual communications from a Supermicro server and a subsequent physical inspection revealed an implant built into the server’s Ethernet connector, a component that's used to attach network cables to the computer, Appleboum said.
The executive said he has seen similar manipulations of different vendors' computer hardware made by contractors in China, not just products from Supermicro. “Supermicro is a victim -- so is everyone else,” he said. Appleboum said his concern is that there are countless points in the supply chain in China where manipulations can be introduced, and deducing them can in many cases be impossible. “That's the problem with the Chinese supply chain,” he said."
Sykosis, i know you have a hard time with this, i do not.
i've worked in electronics and electronics manufacturing for almost 40 years and i know this is not just possible or even probable, it is Most Likely. the US has been doing stuff like this for decades (especially IBM, HP, WD, et al) so why do you think China, with it's new access to markets would not? seriously, you are quite smart, but you are also naive.
Do you maybe have a link for further reading into that?
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#5594880 Posted on: 10/10/2018 06:17 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-09/new-evidence-of-hacked-supermicro-hardware-found-in-u-s-telecom
again, Bloomberg verifies every story it prints from at least three sources. Unlike almost all internet news sites, but just like traditional journalism.
there are other articles but behind paywalls (The Economist, WSJ).
Do you maybe have a link for further reading into that?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-09/new-evidence-of-hacked-supermicro-hardware-found-in-u-s-telecom
again, Bloomberg verifies every story it prints from at least three sources. Unlike almost all internet news sites, but just like traditional journalism.
there are other articles but behind paywalls (The Economist, WSJ).
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Apparently, neither was a concrete case given where this alleged placement of chips really happened, nor who gave the information away. Fake news coming from the pentagon?
https://translate.google.at/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https://fm4.orf.at/stories/2940104/&edit-text=&act=url
"fact-free"