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Successor to Intel LGA 1200 will be LGA 1700, another processor socket for Desktop CPUs
A leak of the Momomo_US and Komachi_Ensaka accounts show that the successor of the LGA 1200 socket will be LGA 1700, and that would be the Alder Lake-S platform, which in addition to a new socket will bring a new rectangular format for the processors, which were normally square at least on the Intel side.
As Komachi revealed, Alder Lake-S processors will have dimensions of 45×37.5mm, while current processors such as the i9-9900K have dimensions of 42.5 × 42.5mm. This rectangular design and the rather massive number of pins are most likely due to a design change towards a multi-die design, housing two DIEs at 10nm to compete better with the AMD platform.
Alder Lake-S could arrive at the end of 2021 as the second generation at 10nm, before that we'll have Comet Lake-S as the last generation at 14nm and then Ice Lake-S as the first generation at 10nm for desktop, both compatible with LGA 1200.
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#5748061 Posted on: 01/06/2020 09:33 AM
1200 → 1700, quote the jump. I wonder what happened to the other 500 in between?
1200 → 1700, quote the jump. I wonder what happened to the other 500 in between?
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#5748062 Posted on: 01/06/2020 09:37 AM
Not just yet another new socket, but a yet another new socket with much pins!
Not just yet another new socket, but a yet another new socket with much pins!
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#5748063 Posted on: 01/06/2020 09:45 AM
Used for hardware mitigations?
1200 → 1700, quote the jump. I wonder what happened to the other 500 in between?
Used for hardware mitigations?
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#5748064 Posted on: 01/06/2020 09:53 AM
Not just yet another new socket, but a yet another new socket with much pins!
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#5748069 Posted on: 01/06/2020 10:33 AM
Intel customers are used to needing to buy a new motherboard. The socket can be 100% identical or significantly different, it doesn't matter, Intel will require a new motherboard on principle.
Intel customers are used to needing to buy a new motherboard. The socket can be 100% identical or significantly different, it doesn't matter, Intel will require a new motherboard on principle.
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#5748084 Posted on: 01/06/2020 11:29 AM
Why do you think "intel customers" buy new cpu and MB every year?
Most "Intel customers" had they're cpu's for years, because it was good enough.
The best buy atm is Ryzen 3600 by far prize/performance. Gaming performance of this cpu is many years old. So if you have a "old" Intel cpu, there is no need to upgrade just yet for gaming only.
2019- the year everyone became professional videoeditors, just to find a reason to buy 12/16core Ryzen. Including me
Intel customers are used to needing to buy a new motherboard. The socket can be 100% identical or significantly different, it doesn't matter, Intel will require a new motherboard on principle.
Why do you think "intel customers" buy new cpu and MB every year?
Most "Intel customers" had they're cpu's for years, because it was good enough.
The best buy atm is Ryzen 3600 by far prize/performance. Gaming performance of this cpu is many years old. So if you have a "old" Intel cpu, there is no need to upgrade just yet for gaming only.
2019- the year everyone became professional videoeditors, just to find a reason to buy 12/16core Ryzen. Including me
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#5748092 Posted on: 01/06/2020 11:38 AM
And this is why the last time i bought an Intel cpu was when i could upgrade my sandy bridge 2500k to an ivy bridge 3770k. ive now had a r51600 and a r52600 and i plan on going to a 3600 if the 4600 isn't socket compatible but it looks like it might be, That's 4 series on 1 motherboard so potentially 3 wasted motherboards had i gone Intel.
And this is why the last time i bought an Intel cpu was when i could upgrade my sandy bridge 2500k to an ivy bridge 3770k. ive now had a r51600 and a r52600 and i plan on going to a 3600 if the 4600 isn't socket compatible but it looks like it might be, That's 4 series on 1 motherboard so potentially 3 wasted motherboards had i gone Intel.
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#5748110 Posted on: 01/06/2020 12:43 PM
Was really hoping that Intel would learn from AMD's success here. The main reason I moved from Intel to AMD this year was the forward compatibility of the AM4 socket. After being stuck on Haswell for years with no upgrade path, it was the fact that I could upgrade from my new Ryzen 7 2700 to a 3000 or even 4000 CPU without needing a new motherboard and RAM which convinced me to move over - this is my first AMD CPU since Athlon 64.
If there's a technical reason to change the socket, then fine. But otherwise, AMD are only going to benefit from these cynical practices.
Was really hoping that Intel would learn from AMD's success here. The main reason I moved from Intel to AMD this year was the forward compatibility of the AM4 socket. After being stuck on Haswell for years with no upgrade path, it was the fact that I could upgrade from my new Ryzen 7 2700 to a 3000 or even 4000 CPU without needing a new motherboard and RAM which convinced me to move over - this is my first AMD CPU since Athlon 64.
If there's a technical reason to change the socket, then fine. But otherwise, AMD are only going to benefit from these cynical practices.
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#5748118 Posted on: 01/06/2020 01:26 PM
Was really hoping that Intel would learn from AMD's success here. The main reason I moved from Intel to AMD this year was the forward compatibility of the AM4 socket. After being stuck on Haswell for years with no upgrade path, it was the fact that I could upgrade from my new Ryzen 7 2700 to a 3000 or even 4000 CPU without needing a new motherboard and RAM which convinced me to move over - this is my first AMD CPU since Athlon 64.
If there's a technical reason to change the socket, then fine. But otherwise, AMD are only going to benefit from these cynical practices.
tr4 last only a year basically, even they promise long-term support for strx4 which i put my money into it
AM4 -> basically is on end-of-life cycle this year (last around 4year)
intel keep changing socket for each release is dumb
but to be fair ... except people that keep upgrading to latest hardware
those cpu should last the cycle of any socket, considering most people upgrading like every 3~5years, no?
in addition compatibility wont be perfect anyway, well AM4 platform tell those... X570 not support older CPU and not all X370/B350 support ryzen2 ... yes this still make sense rather than intel new-cpu-new-socket things, but i think u get the point
Was really hoping that Intel would learn from AMD's success here. The main reason I moved from Intel to AMD this year was the forward compatibility of the AM4 socket. After being stuck on Haswell for years with no upgrade path, it was the fact that I could upgrade from my new Ryzen 7 2700 to a 3000 or even 4000 CPU without needing a new motherboard and RAM which convinced me to move over - this is my first AMD CPU since Athlon 64.
If there's a technical reason to change the socket, then fine. But otherwise, AMD are only going to benefit from these cynical practices.
tr4 last only a year basically, even they promise long-term support for strx4 which i put my money into it
AM4 -> basically is on end-of-life cycle this year (last around 4year)
intel keep changing socket for each release is dumb
but to be fair ... except people that keep upgrading to latest hardware
those cpu should last the cycle of any socket, considering most people upgrading like every 3~5years, no?
in addition compatibility wont be perfect anyway, well AM4 platform tell those... X570 not support older CPU and not all X370/B350 support ryzen2 ... yes this still make sense rather than intel new-cpu-new-socket things, but i think u get the point
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#5748124 Posted on: 01/06/2020 01:35 PM
Remember when the few remaining Intel defenders shouted that X570 mobos are so pricey. Yet customers had (have) the CHOICE of buying a cheaper X470, B450, or even X370 or B350 mobo for the Zen 2 CPUs. If you want to buy the newer Intel CPU, no matter what you want, you NEED to buy the newer mobo too.
tr4 last only a year basically, even they promise long-term support for strx4 which i put my money into it
AM4 -> basically is on end-of-life cycle this year (last around 4year)
intel keep changing socket for each release is dumb
but to be fair ... except people that keep upgrading to latest hardware
those cpu should last the cycle of any socket, considering most people upgrading like every 3~5years, no?
in addition compatibility wont be perfect anyway, well AM4 platform tell those... X570 not support older CPU and not all X370/B350 support ryzen2 ... yes this still make sense rather than intel new-cpu-new-socket things, but i think u get the point
1. AM4 is said to last at least until 2020. This means that the Zen 3 CPUs will probably work in the B360, X370 motherboards too. So the AM4 motherboards will be valid for around 3,5 years.
2. What do you get from an X570 mobo compared to an X470 or even a B450 mobo? I mean, get something means get something that is relevant and has advantages.
3. You criticize X570 not compatible with older Ryzen CPUs. I ask you this: why would anyone buy a more expensive motherboard to put a cheaper and older Ryzen CPU in it?
4. "not all X370/B350 support ryzen2" As far as I know, this is not AMD's fault, this is the fault of the mobo partners that don't provide BIOS updates to specific X370/B350 mobos. Yet, this is still a 3 generation old mobo for the newest CPU.
Remember when the few remaining Intel defenders shouted that X570 mobos are so pricey.
Yet customers had (have) the CHOICE of buying a cheaper X470, B450, or even X370 or B350 mobo for the Zen 2 CPUs. If you want to buy the newer Intel CPU, no matter what you want, you NEED to buy the newer mobo too.tr4 last only a year basically, even they promise long-term support for strx4 which i put my money into it
AM4 -> basically is on end-of-life cycle this year (last around 4year)
intel keep changing socket for each release is dumb
but to be fair ... except people that keep upgrading to latest hardware
those cpu should last the cycle of any socket, considering most people upgrading like every 3~5years, no?
in addition compatibility wont be perfect anyway, well AM4 platform tell those... X570 not support older CPU and not all X370/B350 support ryzen2 ... yes this still make sense rather than intel new-cpu-new-socket things, but i think u get the point
1. AM4 is said to last at least until 2020. This means that the Zen 3 CPUs will probably work in the B360, X370 motherboards too. So the AM4 motherboards will be valid for around 3,5 years.
2. What do you get from an X570 mobo compared to an X470 or even a B450 mobo? I mean, get something means get something that is relevant and has advantages.
3. You criticize X570 not compatible with older Ryzen CPUs. I ask you this: why would anyone buy a more expensive motherboard to put a cheaper and older Ryzen CPU in it?
4. "not all X370/B350 support ryzen2" As far as I know, this is not AMD's fault, this is the fault of the mobo partners that don't provide BIOS updates to specific X370/B350 mobos. Yet, this is still a 3 generation old mobo for the newest CPU.
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#5748126 Posted on: 01/06/2020 01:36 PM
Zen 3 (aka Ryzen 4000) will be AM4 compatible. Slides have shown it will stay on DDR4 and PCIe 4.0 (for server parts), so I see no need to change the socket now. Plus, AMD said support for the AM4 up to 2020 and the processor is scheduled to release this year.
And this is why the last time i bought an Intel cpu was when i could upgrade my sandy bridge 2500k to an ivy bridge 3770k. ive now had a r51600 and a r52600 and i plan on going to a 3600 if the 4600 isn't socket compatible but it looks like it might be, That's 4 series on 1 motherboard so potentially 3 wasted motherboards had i gone Intel.
Zen 3 (aka Ryzen 4000) will be AM4 compatible. Slides have shown it will stay on DDR4 and PCIe 4.0 (for server parts), so I see no need to change the socket now. Plus, AMD said support for the AM4 up to 2020 and the processor is scheduled to release this year.
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#5748129 Posted on: 01/06/2020 01:37 PM
Oh true, most people only upgrade CPU every 4 years or so. But I think for anybody currently on, say, a Ryzen 2000 CPU might see value in upgrading to a Ryzen 4000 when those CPUs become a little cheaper in 1.5 or 2 years time. It's imperfect but progress over the situation that Intel left us in. My ASUS PRIME B450M-A board was designed for 2000 series yet supports everything up to 3950X with 4000 support supposedly coming. That's pretty good going for people like me who have to upgrade on a budget and thus buying a new board is not trivial (that's why I bought a fire sale 2700 and overclocked to 4GHz rather than a 3000 series - on a budget).
I honestly just want Intel to compete with AMD to keep the pressure on AMD, and vice versa. We all win then.
Oh true, most people only upgrade CPU every 4 years or so. But I think for anybody currently on, say, a Ryzen 2000 CPU might see value in upgrading to a Ryzen 4000 when those CPUs become a little cheaper in 1.5 or 2 years time. It's imperfect but progress over the situation that Intel left us in. My ASUS PRIME B450M-A board was designed for 2000 series yet supports everything up to 3950X with 4000 support supposedly coming. That's pretty good going for people like me who have to upgrade on a budget and thus buying a new board is not trivial (that's why I bought a fire sale 2700 and overclocked to 4GHz rather than a 3000 series - on a budget).
I honestly just want Intel to compete with AMD to keep the pressure on AMD, and vice versa. We all win then.
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#5748130 Posted on: 01/06/2020 01:40 PM
This will have DDR5 at this point, that could be the reason behind more pins.
Maybe triple channel?
You do not add 500 pins just for feeding current...
Or maybe i m getting it wrong and 1700 is not the pin number.
This will have DDR5 at this point, that could be the reason behind more pins.
Maybe triple channel?
You do not add 500 pins just for feeding current...
Or maybe i m getting it wrong and 1700 is not the pin number.
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#5748147 Posted on: 01/06/2020 02:08 PM
hmmmm... let me guess...
1 pin for extra voltage, 1 other for ground, 98 others for thing that is not yet set and the others because the marketing love the number 500 and think that consumers will bought a new motherboard only if there is lot more pin and not so few like in 1156,1155,1150 and 1151.
I am joking but asside that point i really hope it wasn't really for this reason... weird isn't it?
1200 → 1700, quote the jump. I wonder what happened to the other 500 in between?
hmmmm... let me guess...
1 pin for extra voltage, 1 other for ground, 98 others for thing that is not yet set
and the others because the marketing love the number 500 and think that consumers will bought a new motherboard only if there is lot more pin and not so few like in 1156,1155,1150 and 1151.I am joking but asside that point i really hope it wasn't really for this reason... weird isn't it?
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A lot of new pins, I hope they also increase the 16 PCIe lane business. At least 20 like AMD has would be nice, since PCIe SSDs are ubiquitous now, 24 would be even better.