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Guru3D.com » News » Starting 2020 Apple Will No Longer Use Intel processors

Starting 2020 Apple Will No Longer Use Intel processors

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 04/03/2018 11:34 AM | source: | 58 comment(s)
Starting 2020 Apple Will No Longer Use Intel processors

Over at Bloomberg word got out that Apple will be fabbing a self-developed CPU for their Mac computers. That means Apple will be giving Intel the boot when it comes to processors.

It's even mentioned that it will not stop with just processors as Apple wants to tie everything together, a larger project with code name Kalamata learns that Apple wants all its devices to work seamlessly together, so besides Macs also the iPhones and iPads. Apple is working on a new software platform called Marzipan (which may already be released this year), which makes it possible to run apps for the iPhone and iPad on the Macs. Apple is 5% of Intel's business, the shares of Intel dropped by 9.2 percent when the news was revealed.

-- Bloomberg -- The shift would be a blow to Intel, whose partnership helped revive Apple’s Mac success and linked the chipmaker to one of the leading brands in electronics. Apple provides Intel with about 5 percent of its annual revenue, according to Bloomberg supply chain analysis.Intel shares dropped as much as 9.2 percent, the biggest intraday drop in more than two years, on the news. They were down 6.4 percent at $48.75 at 3:30 p.m. in New York.

Apple could still theoretically abandon or delay the switch. The company declined to comment. Intel said, “We don’t comment on speculation about our customers.”

For Apple, the change would be a defining moment. Intel chips remain some of the only major processor components designed by others inside Apple’s product portfolio. Currently, all iPhones, iPads, Apple Watches, and Apple TVs use main processors designed by Apple and based on technology from Arm Holdings Plc. Moving to its own chips inside Macs would let Apple release new models on its own timelines, instead of relying on Intel’s processor roadmap.

“We think that Apple is looking at ways to further integrate their hardware and software platforms, and they’ve clearly made some moves in this space, trying to integrate iOS and macOS,” said Shannon Cross, an analyst at Cross Research. “It makes sense that they’re going in this direction. If you look at incremental R&D spend, it’s gone into ways to try to vertically integrate their components so they can add more functionality for competitive differentiation.”







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#5534766 Posted on: 04/04/2018 01:49 PM
If Apple makes a processor it will be based on ARM's instruction set, they already have an ARM custom license. Also you can emulate x86 applications on ARM, Microsoft is doing it with Windows on ARM. There are limitations with Microsoft's implementation though, specifically applications that use device drivers - it's left to be seen whether Apple's situation will be the same or if this news is even true (it probably is).


Sure, you can emulate everything, but the efficiency goes out the window. Why would anyone use apple's solution with terrible performance when they can use alternative laptop with x86 chip and linux on it ?

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#5534768 Posted on: 04/04/2018 01:55 PM
Sure, you can emulate everything, but the efficiency goes out the window. Why would anyone use apple's solution with terrible performance when they can use alternative laptop with x86 chip and linux on it ?


Because it's not apple that way! :eek:

And yes, that's why.

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#5534774 Posted on: 04/04/2018 02:06 PM
Because it's not apple that way! :eek:

And yes, that's why.

I don't think that even Apple has such great marketing, but I could be wrong of course ;)

Anyway, the ARM route seems possible, but I really doubt they will make something comparable in performance to what they have now from Intel. But maybe they just believe they can optimize the SW so the performance will be the same. At least for some of THEIR programs. Actually, that would be very much Apple like.

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#5534778 Posted on: 04/04/2018 02:19 PM
Sure, you can emulate everything, but the efficiency goes out the window. Why would anyone use apple's solution with terrible performance when they can use alternative laptop with x86 chip and linux on it ?


Microsoft stated that x86 applications through the windows abstraction layer on ARM run near native or at native speed. The only problem is that you're running those applications on a Snapdragon 835.

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#5534818 Posted on: 04/04/2018 04:45 PM
Well, this may be the end of Hackintoshes and dual-booting Macs. I suspect the latter issue alone could dramatically hurt Apple's sales. Buying a Mac that could also boot Windows was a selling point.
Must be a fun time to buy such an Apple system just to figure out that all your software designed for Intel CPUs won't run anymore (or run significantly slower at best). Way to screw over users and developers alike in one go. Thats the Apple we all know and hate. :)

If they make an x86-based CPU (which as others have pointed out, doesn't seem very likely) I don't think there'd be that much of a problem.
But let's say Apple goes with ARM, which is a realistic possibility. It is important to consider that both Windows and Linux have proven that you can emulate x86 on ARM. It's not very fast, but it can be done. Hardware emulation is not foreign to Apple. Rosetta, for example, allowed Intel Macs to run PPC software. I find it very hard to believe Apple would intentionally break so much compatibility.
Apple provides most of the software you want out of a Mac, so as long as their stuff is optimized for whatever the new CPU is, I think most users wouldn't notice much of a difference. I'm sure major 3rd party applications like Adobe's Creative Suite would be optimized, too.
This will Hurt Intel big-time,not a good thing at all.

Intel will barely feel this. As pointed out by the article, Macs only make up 5% of Intel's revenue. Intel could lose 20% of their revenue and they'd still have more money than they know what to do with. If anyone is going to hurt from this, it's Apple.
Besides, even if Intel were hurt by this, they could use some humbling.


EDIT:
For those of you saying they would go for AMD CPUs, I find that a bit unlikely. Generally, Apple doesn't even want to use AMD GPUs - the only reason they do is because Intel's are inadequate and Apple isn't fond of Nvidia. Apple doesn't have the time to make their own, so, they're stuck with AMD whether they like it or not. But... part of me hopes they do choose AMD for CPUs. It'd really help with their revenue, while maintaining compatibility with current software.

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