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SandForce previously owned by LSI and now Seagate seems to have big problems. Their SandForce SF3000 controller has been announced ever since 2013, yet it is delayed once more, now to the first half of 2015. The initial plan was to get this product out as we speak already.
There isn't much known on what exactly is going on but sources within the component industry state that there are issues with the PCI-E based end products that make use of that SF-3000 series controller. It is unknown if it is a chip design issue or something that can be fixed on the firmware side of things. And the PCI-E based SSDs are a huge focus for the manufacturer as by using that bus, they can maximize the potential of the series 3000 controllers.
The SF3000 should be a significant step forwards in the SSD industry when it comes to performance, the controller is optimized for a bandwidth equal toi PCIE 2.0 4.x
By using the PCIe bus SandForce can achieve sequential read and write performance of up-to 1800 MB/sec whilst the IOPS performance would be 150K for reads and 81K for writes.
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#4936326 Posted on: 10/13/2014 03:50 PM
SandForce has been a hot potato for a few years now. I don't find this particularly alarming. SandForce notoriously has stability issues in their controllers: the 1000 series never was stable or reliable, the 2000 series only became universally reliable after 10 firmware updates or so. This delay is probably thanks to Seagate putting their engineers on the product to enhance to tighten it. Whatever you think about Seagate, they have highly skilled engineers and this will only be a positive.
You could say the same for OCZ - OCZ has been using the Barefoot 3 since 2012 with that other next gen controller still in development. The old OCZ would probably have it out now but as they are part of Toshiba they are probably benefiting from the same vast resources Toshiba offers.
SandForce has been a hot potato for a few years now. I don't find this particularly alarming. SandForce notoriously has stability issues in their controllers: the 1000 series never was stable or reliable, the 2000 series only became universally reliable after 10 firmware updates or so. This delay is probably thanks to Seagate putting their engineers on the product to enhance to tighten it. Whatever you think about Seagate, they have highly skilled engineers and this will only be a positive.
You could say the same for OCZ - OCZ has been using the Barefoot 3 since 2012 with that other next gen controller still in development. The old OCZ would probably have it out now but as they are part of Toshiba they are probably benefiting from the same vast resources Toshiba offers.
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#4936481 Posted on: 10/13/2014 06:43 PM
Any proof or just spouting typical fanboy trash talk?.
Anyway back to the topic who cares about LSI anymore
i mean how much faster could this controller be could it make that
much of a difference?.
That's because Seagate now makes junk drives.
Any proof or just spouting typical fanboy trash talk?.
Anyway back to the topic who cares about LSI anymore
i mean how much faster could this controller be could it make that
much of a difference?.
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#4936533 Posted on: 10/13/2014 08:00 PM
Any proof or just spouting typical fanboy trash talk?.
Anyway back to the topic who cares about LSI anymore
i mean how much faster could this controller be could it make that
much of a difference?.
Alot people on this forum have hard on for hating seagate ever since that firmware fiasco few years back.
I have swore by seagate for 15+ years now and of all the seagate HDD i had 1 out right failed and no longer works and that was 3 years after it out of it 5 year warranty. Cant say same about the few times i strayed from Seagate to pick up a WD or Maxtor drive those drives are all dead
I like those speeds sanforce is showing but there for pcie addons drive is this gona apply to actual SSD?
When are SSD prices gona be come much closer to that of HDD.
Any proof or just spouting typical fanboy trash talk?.
Anyway back to the topic who cares about LSI anymore
i mean how much faster could this controller be could it make that
much of a difference?.
Alot people on this forum have hard on for hating seagate ever since that firmware fiasco few years back.
I have swore by seagate for 15+ years now and of all the seagate HDD i had 1 out right failed and no longer works and that was 3 years after it out of it 5 year warranty. Cant say same about the few times i strayed from Seagate to pick up a WD or Maxtor drive those drives are all dead
I like those speeds sanforce is showing but there for pcie addons drive is this gona apply to actual SSD?
When are SSD prices gona be come much closer to that of HDD.
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#4936585 Posted on: 10/13/2014 09:09 PM
Any proof or just spouting typical fanboy trash talk?.
Anyway back to the topic who cares about LSI anymore
i mean how much faster could this controller be could it make that
much of a difference?.
I know that a group of Seagate Drives have been crap such as these ones.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844&cm_re=seagate_3_tb-_-22-148-844-_-Product
These ones used to be good but then they started to fail left and right. I know this form first hand. I had to swap out some of these Seagate drives in NASes due to failures. As far as drives for NASes go we are not buying Seagate again.
Any proof or just spouting typical fanboy trash talk?.
Anyway back to the topic who cares about LSI anymore
i mean how much faster could this controller be could it make that
much of a difference?.
I know that a group of Seagate Drives have been crap such as these ones.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844&cm_re=seagate_3_tb-_-22-148-844-_-Product
These ones used to be good but then they started to fail left and right. I know this form first hand. I had to swap out some of these Seagate drives in NASes due to failures. As far as drives for NASes go we are not buying Seagate again.
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That's because Seagate now makes junk drives.