Socket AM4 motherboard BIOS update - ready for Ryzen 3000 CPUs - Series 500 Chipset

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 03/25/2019 09:35 AM | source: TechPowerUp, Golem | 33 comment(s)

The first motherboard manufacturers started updating AMD Motherboards to offer support for the pending Ryzen 3000 processors. Asus, Biostar and MSI have released AGESA version 0.0.7.0 for a large number of motherboards and they show microcode to support new Ryzen procs codenamed Matisse processors.

Thus far there are the firmware updates primarily for 400series boards like the X470 and B450 chipset base products. However, some older X370 boards are spotted with support as well. Whether and when partners update which motherboards with new UEFI versions remains open for the time being. Since AMD maintains the socket AM4 and probably will not significantly exceed the thermal power loss of 115 watts, the compatibility should be far-reaching at least in the weeks after the release of the CPUs.

The Matisse aka Ryzen 3000 are AMD's third generation of Ryzen CPUs based on the Zen 2 microarchitecture. The predecessors, Summit Ridge (Ryzen 1000) and Pinnacle Ridge (Ryzen 2000), use Zen and Zen+ for fabrication technology. With Matisse AMD changes from the 14/12-nm method to 7 nm, with a CPU based on chiplets. Each (of two) CPU chiplets has eight cores, for the desktop models one or two are fitter. In addition, there is an I/O chip in 14 nm, this includes, among other things responsible for the DDR4 controller / dual-channel memory and the PCIe Gen4 controller and features such as SATA / USB.

In January 2019, AMD showed a pre-production sample of a Ryzen 3000 that was as fast as a Core i9-9900K with eight cores showing less system power consumption. How final the frequencies and clock rates of Matisse will look is not yet confirmed. AMD's third-generation Ryzen processors could be presented at the Computex 2019 , which will be held at the end of May.

While the motherboard become compatible, you may expect a new 500 series to be released as well. VideoCardz reports on a list that names some of Asus' planned X570 motherboards for the upcoming Ryzen 3000 (Matisse) AMD CPUs. The list includes twelve models from the series ROG Crosshair VIII, ROG Strix, Prime, Pro WS and TUF Gaming.

The following list is not final:

ROG CROSSHAIR VIII FORMULA
ROG CROSSHAIR VIII HERO
ROG CROSSHAIR VIII HERO (WI-FI)
ROG CROSSHAIR VIII IMPACT
ROG STRIX X570-E GAMING
ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING
ROG STRIX X570-I GAMING
PRIME X570-P
PRIME X570-PRO
Pro WS X570-ACE
TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI)
TUF GAMING X570-PLUS

There were already indications for the upcoming X570 portfolio from mainboard manufacturer ASRock. The online databases of the Eurasian Economic Commission listed the following entries:

X570M Pro4
X570M Pro4 2.0
X570 Pro4
X570 Pro4 2.0
X570 Phantom Gaming X
X570 Phantom Gaming 6
X570 Phantom Gaming 4
X570 Extreme4
X570 Taichi

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HardwareCaps
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#5653804 Posted on: 03/25/2019 10:15 AM

That's a good sign. Let's go
Here's my guess, AMD didn't show anything in GDC because:

May 1st

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#5653808 Posted on: 03/25/2019 10:29 AM

Please be Aware! AGESA 0070 for ASUS broke PBO on X470 MB's, same with the beta bios for some MSI boards too, after contacting ASUS they work on solution and released new BIOS with AGESA 0072 version 4602 few days ago (I shared it on thread) and now PBO works, it will be up in the next few days on the official support page.
https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/PRIME-X470-PRO/PRIME-X470-PRO-ASUS-4602.zip
more in this PBO bug:
https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-amd-motherboards/1690489-asus-prime-x470-pro-issues-successes-37.html

So check before updating if the new Bios is bug free .

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#5653810 Posted on: 03/25/2019 10:32 AM

It will be like a rumble of rolling thunder!

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#5653818 Posted on: 03/25/2019 10:50 AM

Hoping for 8 cores at 4.8Ghz as rumors have been saying for some time..

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#5653823 Posted on: 03/25/2019 11:52 AM

While that 12 core up to 5GHz is Amazing value for money, there is yet the 16 core capable of 5.1GHz..........

I don't Neeed it as I am still loving my 2700X, but.....

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Hoping they will fit right into my MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon AC which has excellent power phase setup.

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#5653826 Posted on: 03/25/2019 12:06 PM

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#5653827 Posted on: 03/25/2019 12:12 PM

Think i'll hold off till zen3+ since that will be on AM4 as well.

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#5653828 Posted on: 03/25/2019 12:12 PM

Hang on, I didn't even think of that. So used to buying completely new hardware in the past.

Does that mean that, if my manufacturer releases the corresponding AGESA update for my AX370 mainboard, I can put a shiny, new Ryzen 3000 series on it and be a happy guy?

Essentially yes... with a But.

It is dependent on how good the power circuitry is on the motherboard and whether it can support the additional power requirements of some of the higher end new chips. While 370 / 470 board should be fairly good, lower end 350 / 450 boards often have far inferior power phases and number of them also.

I'm sure the manufacturers will only add support for chips that fall within cautious margins.

I specifically chose my board due to it's above average for a 470 power phase setup so it will have enough power for any of these new chips as it has a Lot of headroom and remains cool under load.

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#5653834 Posted on: 03/25/2019 12:30 PM

IMO at stock settings there will be no problem for current boards, the problem will start with PBO and OCing for simple VRM boards.

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#5653841 Posted on: 03/25/2019 01:12 PM

ROG CROSSHAIR VI HERO already up-to-dated. https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO/HelpDesk-Download/

IMO at stock settings there will be no problem for current boards, the problem will start with PBO and OCing for simple VRM boards.

This, as it was with Ryzen 2xxx and x3xx series MBs... If you do not overclock and the TDP does not exceeds 95W for x3xx series and 105W for x4xx there should be no issues at all. Decebt x3xx and x4xx MBs should support 115W without problems

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#5653847 Posted on: 03/25/2019 01:28 PM

For ASUS- wait for AGESA 0072 Bios, since the current AGESA 0070 update disables PBO,

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#5653877 Posted on: 03/25/2019 03:00 PM

No biggie but I can't find any web pages on the ASUS web site for the first 4 entries...

ROG CROSSHAIR VIII FORMULA
ROG CROSSHAIR VIII HERO
ROG CROSSHAIR VIII HERO (WI-FI)
ROG CROSSHAIR VIII IMPACT

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#5653879 Posted on: 03/25/2019 03:03 PM

It's worth pointing out that Biostar also already has this update available, oddly enough. I haven't yet upgraded to it, mostly because I don't yet have any intention on getting the 3000 series CPUs and Biostar's updates seem to have a tendency to cripple my overclocks.

Hang on, I didn't even think of that. So used to buying completely new hardware in the past.

Does that mean that, if my manufacturer releases the corresponding AGESA update for my AX370 mainboard, I can put a shiny, new Ryzen 3000 series on it and be a happy guy?
In addition to what Humanoid_1 said, it's worth pointing out that if you buy an old board with a 300 series chipset, there is very slim chance it will boot properly on these new CPUs without the BIOS update. So, unless you already have some old Ryzen lying around and intend to upgrade, you're better off either buying a 300 series board known to be ready for the Ryzen 3000 series out-of-the-box, or, just buy the newest chipset.

Also, I'm sure there will be some tweaks here and there related to XFR or power-related benefits that you won't get from a 300 series chipset, if you care about such things. At least for overlockers, this is pretty much a non-issue.

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#5653892 Posted on: 03/25/2019 03:33 PM

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#5653925 Posted on: 03/25/2019 04:30 PM

It is dependent on how good the power circuitry is on the motherboard and whether it can support the additional power requirements of some of the higher end new chips. While 370 / 470 board should be fairly good, lower end 350 / 450 boards often have far inferior power phases and number of them also.

I'm sure the manufacturers will only add support for chips that fall within cautious margins.

I specifically chose my board due to it's above average for a 470 power phase setup so it will have enough power for any of these new chips as it has a Lot of headroom and remains cool under load.

This is something I have tought about lot, but we have to remember that very basic motherboards will be released even with the 500-chipset. They support the latest processors, but you really shouldn't overclock those. There is no reason why the older more basic motherboards shouldn't get the same treatment.

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I for one own an mATX-case, which meant when 1000-series was released that you had no options than to get a pretty basic motherboard because the selection was slim. If I want a new more powerful Ryzen chip and plan to overclock it, it's better to buy a new motherboard too, which kind of sucks. Other solution is to wait even longer for later Zen-processors and just not overclock them, since I assume every AM4-processor will work on any motherboard no matter how cheap, if it is not overclocked. Upgrading from 1000-series to 3000-series returns too little gains without overclocking will be likely the case. Do not excpect any great XFR results from a cheap board though.

Those who have ATX-case and bought a decent board like MSI X370 Pro Carbon or similiar are good to go and invested wisely. You don't need any better, but lesser can be a compromise in the future. Given my situation though, going with Intel would have resulted the same - you need a new motherboard nonetheless. I bought R7 1700 for gaming and I have not yet seen pretty much any case where it performs better than i5-8400, which is a shame to be honest, but I was one of the early adopters and Intel 8000-series wasn't available yet when I upgraded my system.

I'm happy with my R7 1700 in any case, but the motherboard selection has to be much better when 500-chipset enters the market.

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